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That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by upquark »

three14 wrote: post #127
anon1385 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GGS is the kind of book that makes academics despair [1]. I remember a Geography lecturer once relating how Diamond had been given honorary membership of some geographical society or other, and was giving an acceptance talk. It was a cause of supreme embarrassment for most of the people in the room; Diamond didn't seem to realise that he was addressing many senior academics who had spent most of their careers explori…

Do you have any specific criticisms in mind? That abstract implies that the paper doesn't actually argue with anything in GGS itself. Rather, "environmental determinism" sounds like it's a dirty word in their niche of academia, and they need to yell at GGS because it might be contaminated. One way to phrase the distinction is that no one really expects huge empires in Antarctica, so everyone admits there's some role…

With the disclaimer that I've watched the documentary and haven't read the book, the reasoning seemed faulty and unsound to me. It was definitely too deterministic and did not really go into non-environmental factors. For example, it boiled down the state of development of Papua New Guinea civilizations to the primary source of starch being palm trees vs grains, or something to that effect. It feels like picking one contributing factor and focusing on it at the expense of everything else.

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by driverdan »

seestheday wrote: post #91
daeken wrote: post #71

This is a bit of an aside, but I have to say this: even as a young person, take falls very seriously . I was 22 or so when I slipped in the shower. I was falling to the side and was going to hit my head, so I decided to twist so that I'd fall flat on my back, figuring I'd be fine. Well, I was, until a few hours later, when I started having chest pain and my left arm went numb and started getting shooting pains. Think…

I some similar problems along with significant pain, also caused by falls (and a fairly serious injury that compounded things). I had pain for years, until I stumbled onto a combination of things that completely resolve the issues as long as I stick to them. I'm telling you in case they help. If nothing else it shouldn't hurt anything. In order of importance: 1. Develop & maintain significant muscle mass, specificall…

Gaining strength / muscle mass and losing fat can help for many kinds of pain. My father had back pain for something like 20 years. He worked an office job and was 20-30 lbs overweight. After he started working out again, jogging on his lunch breaks, and lost the weight his back pain went away.

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by pm90 »

neotek wrote: post #110
loceng wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will assume you tried chiropractor, acupuncture, and perhaps even yoga?

And pixie dust and sugar pills and wishes.

Do not dismiss other techniques so easily. The human body is a very complex mechanism and we still don't know exactly how it works. Modern medicine has been based only on the knowledge that we have: which is thus quite limited.

I'm not saying that they will work. But acupuncture and yoga are not the same as pixie dust, dung pills or what have you.

To give an example of what I mean: the waters of the Ganges were said to have "magical powers that cured disease"[0]. It was later found that the waters contained bacteriophages that killed bacteria. Could anyone have guessed this?

[0]:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3225782/

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by driverdan »

loceng wrote: post #92
daeken wrote: post #71

This is a bit of an aside, but I have to say this: even as a young person, take falls very seriously . I was 22 or so when I slipped in the shower. I was falling to the side and was going to hit my head, so I decided to twist so that I'd fall flat on my back, figuring I'd be fine. Well, I was, until a few hours later, when I started having chest pain and my left arm went numb and started getting shooting pains. Think…

I will assume you tried chiropractor, acupuncture, and perhaps even yoga?

Yoga, perhaps, but it's on par with other low impact physical activity and stretching. The other two are just pseudoscience.

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by neotek »

pm90 wrote: post #133
neotek wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And pixie dust and sugar pills and wishes.

Do not dismiss other techniques so easily. The human body is a very complex mechanism and we still don't know exactly how it works. Modern medicine has been based only on the knowledge that we have: which is thus quite limited. I'm not saying that they will work. But acupuncture and yoga are not the same as pixie dust, dung pills or what have you. To give an example of what I mean: the waters of the Ganges were said…

>But acupuncture and yoga are not the same as pixie dust, dung pills or what have you.

Okay, so why don't they show any efficacy above pixie dust in double-blinded studies?

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by chimpingout »

seestheday wrote: post #91
daeken wrote: post #71

This is a bit of an aside, but I have to say this: even as a young person, take falls very seriously . I was 22 or so when I slipped in the shower. I was falling to the side and was going to hit my head, so I decided to twist so that I'd fall flat on my back, figuring I'd be fine. Well, I was, until a few hours later, when I started having chest pain and my left arm went numb and started getting shooting pains. Think…

I some similar problems along with significant pain, also caused by falls (and a fairly serious injury that compounded things). I had pain for years, until I stumbled onto a combination of things that completely resolve the issues as long as I stick to them. I'm telling you in case they help. If nothing else it shouldn't hurt anything. In order of importance: 1. Develop & maintain significant muscle mass, specificall…

what a load of balls...

the average man should be light and active enough to do a few chin ups with ease and run for a while

i have deadlifted over 350. it did nothing for my chronic neck pain and in fact only made it worse by over developing my traps.

neckbeard lifting gurus are so full of shit

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by driverdan »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #124

Seriously showering 365 times/year is, while normal in the US, really pretty bizarre and definitely decadent. Put on some deodorant, shower every other day and this guy could cut down his risk massively. And save colossal amounts of water! Does he sweat regularly? Play sports? If not, in the winter, shower twice per week. Doing otherwise is really falling into one of the weirdest forms of American prissiness. In gene…

This varies significantly from person to person. For me after 30-48 hours so I start getting itchy, my hair and face get obviously oily, and I start to smell. And that's assuming I'm not being very active.

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by pyre »

chimpingout wrote: post #137
seestheday wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I some similar problems along with significant pain, also caused by falls (and a fairly serious injury that compounded things). I had pain for years, until I stumbled onto a combination of things that completely resolve the issues as long as I stick to them. I'm telling you in case they help. If nothing else it shouldn't hurt anything. In order of importance: 1. Develop & maintain significant muscle mass, specificall…

what a load of balls... the average man should be light and active enough to do a few chin ups with ease and run for a while i have deadlifted over 350. it did nothing for my chronic neck pain and in fact only made it worse by over developing my traps. neckbeard lifting gurus are so full of shit

You responded to:

  | This worked for me, I'm going to tell you
  | because it might help you too.
with:

  | what a load of balls...
and

  | neckbeard lifting gurus are so full of shit
Way to keep it classy.

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Post by r00fus »

neotek wrote: post #136
pm90 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not dismiss other techniques so easily. The human body is a very complex mechanism and we still don't know exactly how it works. Modern medicine has been based only on the knowledge that we have: which is thus quite limited. I'm not saying that they will work. But acupuncture and yoga are not the same as pixie dust, dung pills or what have you. To give an example of what I mean: the waters of the Ganges were said…

>But acupuncture and yoga are not the same as pixie dust, dung pills or what have you. Okay, so why don't they show any efficacy above pixie dust in double-blinded studies?

Do you have a cite for this? And efficacy in what? They are not medicines, they are lifestyles (just like lifting or diet as another commenter mentioned)
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