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Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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Crazy? What is apple's approach? Windows' approach is by just upscaling each window, which makes things blurry. Linux' approach is by letting you set the DPI in dozens of config files (eg one for GTK+, one for QT, ...), but at least the end result looks "reasonably" what you want.

Windows upscales applications that do not support scaling automatically. This gives it perfect backwards compatibility. Windows applications that do support arbitrary scaling just get to see the world as it is, and also work perfectly because they have been designed to do so. The Apple approach is some kind of misguided middle ground. Applications are fooled in to thinking that they are rendering on a "normal" sized…

Have you seen the results? It's crazy, but it works, and has the added advantage of not having to wait until "just next year" when all existing applications will be ported to our New Hot Vector Based display tech.

Re: Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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post #100

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About the HDMI/DVI issues, heres an overview of my (possibly incorrect) understanding, for those wondering (Note the resolutions listed can be fudged a bit by messing with display rate, ie it may be possible to get a single link dvi to display 2440 1400 @ 33hz) DVI-A/I/D Single link supports up to around 1920x1200 * DVI-I/D Dual Link supports 2560x1600+ * HDMI * HDMI 1.3 supports up to 2560x1600 * HDMI 1.4 supports u…

I don't doubt this info, it jives with what I know, but I know that HD4000 will not drive this display over HDMI on my friends mobo (which coincides with the other anecdotes I've seen).

Sorry I meant to include this about the HD4000, you're totally correct. It and it's 3rd gen sibling actually support HDMI1.4, but fall into the 'Some displays and adaptors may be >1.3 but limit what they will output or display.' category, unfortunately.

Here's my rudimentary/half forgotten understanding gleamed from the PCH datasheet and random internet browsing:

* HDMI/DVI both use TMDS and share the same encoding/formatting for video and control. The Intel chipsets defines 9 TMDS lines for a port which are identical/interchangeable between the HDMI/DVI ports: 3 Data pairs, 1 control pair and the hot plug detection.

* The 3 data pairs, the control/clock pair and the hotplug pin form the connections of a single link DVI-D connector.

* The DVI spec identifies the max pixel clock of a single link DVI connection as 165Mhz

* Higher pixel clock requires dual link, via an extra 3 data pairs, which are not defined by intel in the datasheet

* HDMI uses a single link connection, with 3 data pairs, control pair, and hotplug. (Except type B connections which were dual link, but never actually produced by anyone)

* HDMI * HDMI1.3 upped it to 340Mhz over a single link. Which is incompatible with DVI, which increased max res by adding more lines, rather than change the existing ones

This is where I make a bit of a leap: as far as I know, since the lanes used for HDMI/DVI are defined interchangeably, they are limited to a max clock of 165Mhz, the DVI maximum.

So even though these cards are listed as HDMI1.4, the video data produced is effectively maxed at DVI-D single link/HDMITL;DR again: the intel HD graphics (Specifically the HD4000 and HD2500, but assumably the earlier ones as well) are limited to single link DVI-D and the equivalent pixel clock over HDMI, effectively 1920x1200. DisplayPort does doesn't share this. If you have an Intel adaptor, and want >1920x1200, you're gunna want to use DisplayPort.

Re: Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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What I'd be curious about is when PC laptops with equivalent resolution are going to arrive?

High-DPI doesn't work in Windows (officially it does work, but if you try it you'll find that every app is broken), so that's effectively an unsellable product.

Windows has had good high DPI support for a while. I prefer their method to Apple's wacky pseudo resolution.

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These 27" 1440p displays are still only 110 PPI. Compared to tablet screens surpassing 300 PPI, reading on lcd monitors becomes so painful when you get spoiled on those tablet screens. I'll be interested in 1440p when the displays hit 22 - 24" inch range and the PPI approaches 150. I'd really like to wait for 4k resolution displays to take off, and get shrunk down to 27". That would be much more reasonable pixel dens…

I think you might just be sitting too close to your monitor.

Re: Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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I bought one of these cheap 27-inch monitors at Microcenter a few months back. It was a great display for the price (I paid $300), but after a couple weeks, smoke literally started coming out of the power brick (which always seemed to run really hot). Now I'm pretty wary of any of these cheap displays.

Re: Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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post #74

These 27" 1440p displays are still only 110 PPI. Compared to tablet screens surpassing 300 PPI, reading on lcd monitors becomes so painful when you get spoiled on those tablet screens. I'll be interested in 1440p when the displays hit 22 - 24" inch range and the PPI approaches 150. I'd really like to wait for 4k resolution displays to take off, and get shrunk down to 27". That would be much more reasonable pixel dens…

Really? If ~300 ppi is enough at 10" away (retina iPhone) and ~200 ppi is enough at 18" away (retina MBP) then ~100 ppi should be enough at 30" away (large desktop monitor), right?

Re: Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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These Korean IPS monitors are a solid value. I picked up a Shimian for $390 and it is the best monitor I've ever owned. TA Planet (http://stores.ebay.com/TA-Planet) seems to be the preferred ebay seller. I had a great experience with them. This monoprice deal looks very promising too.

Re: Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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Dear display industry, Please please please increase vertical resolution. I look back on the days of 16:10 fondly and wish we could end up back there or better.

We (sadly) moved away from 4:3 permanently, but 16:10 is hardly gone. Sure, as they make a lot of FullHD panels nowadays, a 1920x1080 display is very common, but you still can get 1920x1200 displays from almost any manufacturer, albeit at a higher price (and quite often higher quality).

And you can get 16:10 versions of those IPS panels, which then sport a 2560x1600 resolution. About $550+ if you buy from the same Korean dealers (search for e.g. "Crossover 30Q5").

Re: Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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post #72

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Put the monitor in portrait mode, awesome for code and browsing ... just about anything that isn't a movie.

Portrait mode will screw subpixel rendering of text.

You realize we are talking about a 2560x1440 monitor right?

Depending on your DPI settings, one can consider turning off subpixel smoothing at this res. At 4k you should certainly consider it. Plus, I'm sure various implementations are better than others. Does the iPad have this problem?

Re: Monoprice Announces 27-Inch 2560 x 1440 Monitor for $390

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post #113
post #74

These 27" 1440p displays are still only 110 PPI. Compared to tablet screens surpassing 300 PPI, reading on lcd monitors becomes so painful when you get spoiled on those tablet screens. I'll be interested in 1440p when the displays hit 22 - 24" inch range and the PPI approaches 150. I'd really like to wait for 4k resolution displays to take off, and get shrunk down to 27". That would be much more reasonable pixel dens…

You don't really need 4K at 27", even if your vision is very good you shouldn't sit that close to your monitor. 4K is awesome for large sizes, 32" and up, I would say.

4K at 27" would still be considerably lower pixel density (~160 ppi) than my old Motorola Atrix phone (275 ppi), which had lower density than my current HTC Rezound (342 ppi). I found the difference between the Rezound and the Atrix to be striking, so I think 4K at 27" would not be overkill by any means at half the density of the Rezound, even taking into account that the display will be a little farther from your eyes.
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