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Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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post #105

Free speech absolutist, btw.

What does proxying someone else's content have to do with free speech?

Twitter is heavily login-gated, to the point that I can't see Twitter threads at all unless I have an account. I do not wish to make an account. Services like Nitter/XCancel allow me to read those threads, making that speech more free.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the off chance someone thinks this is serious, being locked behind a login doesn't prevent your site from being scraped.

Indeed, the shitter authors recommended you buy a bundle of Twitter accounts with 2FA details when setting up your own instance, to avoid getting rate-limited. There are millions of accounts for sale, roughly $0.10 per account. https://hstockplus.com/accounts/twitter-x-accounts?sortBy=pr...

This wasn‘t recommended officially by the authors, right? I saw it on someone‘s codeberg fork but not on the official repo

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of other instances running on nitter, some secret/invite only (and as such more chance to fly under the radar). The code is open source: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter albeit X DMCA'd the repo.

> X DMCA'd the repo. No they didn't, or you'd see the text "Repository unavailable due to DMCA takedown." and wouldn't have access to the repo at all. Instead you have full access to it, its author having merely archived it out of caution. No reference to nitter in https://github.com/github/dmca/

Seems you're right. They have done this in the past though, so wouldn't exactly be a surprise.

Here is what the "free speech" platform have censored previously on GitHub:

> X Corp. employs various technical protection measures to control access to its copyrighted works, including those at issue here (API schemas and platform content): e.g., official X Corp. API key/OAuth authentication, rate-limiting mechanisms, proprietary behavioral pattern detection, TLS fingerprint validation, and x-clienttransaction-id checks. The repository referenced above appears specifically designed to circumvent these measures using browser cookies, curl_cffi TLS impersonation, fake headers, request jitter, and reverse-engineered GraphQL queries.

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/b2c88bad7dd771dc7d1842ff...

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

#134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does proxying someone else's content have to do with free speech?

You have to admit, the “free speech” shield-wielding megalomaniac working so hard to keep people from freely accessing info isn’t exactly great optics.

I'm very much on the side of xcancel and nitter on this one, but I do think it's fair to point out that Twitter is free of monetary charge. It's not free in the sense that you do have to provide some personal information and data to them in exchange for that free account, but it isn't a huge roadblock for most people, however annoying it may be.

Now that said, I sure hope Elon will pivot this and make these services unnecessary. I'm not holding my breath though.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

#136

This may be a situation where revealing a solution may end up harming it. For those who use iOS and other Apple OSes, I learned of this recently released free Safari extension called Litterbox that allows looking at one post on x.com. [1]: https://andadinosaur.com/launch-litterbox

People really need to just not visit it. You don’t need to browse Twitter to be on top of current events. Anything posted there will be available elsewhere within minutes (and hopefully it will have been vetted somewhat)

Yeah as long as the audience is there, people will keep posting on Twitter.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

#137
post #100
post #94

Web version of Twitter has become unusable now. So much so that I wonder why they still keep it.

So they can try to nag you into signing up and installing the app? Which doesn't work in 99.9% of cases, but try telling that to your boss if his name is Elon Musk...

Sadly, the success rate is significantly better than 0.1%. as a broad strategy, it clearly works. I wish it didn't, but there is a reason why all these companies do it.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to admit, the “free speech” shield-wielding megalomaniac working so hard to keep people from freely accessing info isn’t exactly great optics.

I'm very much on the side of xcancel and nitter on this one, but I do think it's fair to point out that Twitter is free of monetary charge. It's not free in the sense that you do have to provide some personal information and data to them in exchange for that free account, but it isn't a huge roadblock for most people, however annoying it may be. Now that said, I sure hope Elon will pivot this and make these services…

The phrase "free speech" does not typically mean "free as in beer," rather it means "free as in freedom," so in this case you're conflating the two meanings of "free" in English.

The fact that Twitter is login-gated makes it objectively less free as in freedom.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

#139
post #109

Thanks Elon, now we know that scraping is illegal! Very good to clarify that for future proceedings against the AI thieves.

Thats "Billionaire Use" -- its like a "Fair Use" exemption but for billionaires.

Aaron Swartz died so that "AI" billionaires can live.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

#140
post #96

Of more concern, the Nitter github repository was permanently archived a couple of days ago. https://github.com/zedeus/nitter

On that same page: UPDATE: Following legal advice, the Nitter project will continue. More details will be announced soon.

> Following legal advice

It's impossible to know what this "legal advice" was, but the software project itself is probably fine. The legal risk is always going to be with the person that hosts it with the intention of facilitating the unauthorized access of Twitter's website. Seems like that could run afoul of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

Those people should seek their own legal advice.

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