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Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by inigyou »

swed420 wrote: post #109
dralley wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Websites already can barely be assed to care about supporting Firefox users, doing adblocking by default is a great way to get websites to start putting up banners that say "our website does not work with your browser, please switch to Chrome" en-masse. And Mozilla did develop anti-fingerprinting tech, but they can't enable it by default because it breaks lots of websites and when a website doesn't work they're not g…

The level of mental gymnastics in this thread denying the extent to which companies like Google (and their puppets like Mozilla) control the internet is too damn high. Fortunately if projects like Ladybird gain enough momentum, websites might be forced to cater to it. Time will tell.

You know you can make a browser based on Firefox's core and don't need to make a new one from scratch that'll never get past Cloudflare?

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by swed420 »

epihelix wrote: post #125
swed420 wrote: post #58

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> Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They could save themselves the trouble if Firefox simply baked in its own ad-blocking, but since Google basically owns them, we all know that will never happen. Ladybird browser is going to be awesome.

That's like suggesting that someone using LLMs to assist coding, could save themselves the trouble by writing the code by hand. Yes, Firefox could do everything, but then it'd turn back into Mozilla. The whole point of the extensions framework is to allow modular extensibility. And it's much easier to vet for malware than to code afresh and maintain. What stuns me is that most people still use browsers that cannot bl…

> That's like suggesting that someone using LLMs to assist coding, could save themselves the trouble by writing the code by hand.

No it's not.

> Yes, Firefox could do everything, but then it'd turn back into Mozilla. The whole point of the extensions framework is to allow modular extensibility. And it's much easier to vet for malware than to code afresh and maintain.

No, quite the opposite. FF has a history of adopting extensions as baked-in functionality if they prove useful/popular enough. There are tons of examples of this from the past for various features, which is great.

But that fact makes it even more absurd that they refuse to do the same for what is likely their most popular extension of all time: uBlock Origin

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by inigyou »

avaer wrote: post #32

What's funny is that extensions were supposed to be a way to let you do the things the browser didn't want you to do. Guess that was a bit too much freedom for Google to accept, so they had to make a store with a gate, and destroy the APIs so that they're useless. Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that and ram it through the pipeline despite everyone's objections, and the frog got boiled. Now we're bac…

Firefox extensions are already so incredibly locked down. It used to be they could edit any part of the UI anywhere. Now they each get a button at the end of the URL bar if they're lucky, otherwise it's some obscure hamburger menu item.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by inigyou »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #118
michaelt wrote: post #96

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> I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. To be honest, to me it sounds like you don't want browser extensions then. To me, directly messing with web page data and browser behaviour is the whole point of a browser extension - what else is a browser extension for?

The purpose of browser extensions is to build up an install base then sell out to some corporation that then promptly leverages that user base to exfiltrate data and monetize it. No thanks. They should have to declare to the browser what it is they want done instead.

... But they do that. The declaration is written in a language called JavaScript.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by inigyou »

lxgr wrote: post #101
michaelt wrote: post #96

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> I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. To be honest, to me it sounds like you don't want browser extensions then. To me, directly messing with web page data and browser behaviour is the whole point of a browser extension - what else is a browser extension for?

Why should there not be a middle ground between “can do absolutely everything with all my data” and “is basically a glorified bookmark button” based on the level of trust I have for an extension?

Because the browser already has bookmark buttons

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by swed420 »

inigyou wrote: post #131
swed420 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The level of mental gymnastics in this thread denying the extent to which companies like Google (and their puppets like Mozilla) control the internet is too damn high. Fortunately if projects like Ladybird gain enough momentum, websites might be forced to cater to it. Time will tell.

You know you can make a browser based on Firefox's core and don't need to make a new one from scratch that'll never get past Cloudflare?

> You know you can make a browser based on Firefox's core

If you want to inherit all of Firefox's flaws, I suppose.

> and don't need to make a new one from scratch that'll never get past Cloudflare?

Considering Cloudflare is a sponsor of Ladybird, something tells me they're going to grant an exception for it.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by inigyou »

lxgr wrote: post #104
radley wrote: post #60

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> I want my browser to prevent random extensions... Why are you installing random extensions?

Not GP, but sometimes I want my browser to do pretty random/niche things without that compromising all of my browsing data.

How can the browser tell the difference between a random thing you want and a random thing you don't want?

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by colordrops »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #43
avaer wrote: post #32

What's funny is that extensions were supposed to be a way to let you do the things the browser didn't want you to do. Guess that was a bit too much freedom for Google to accept, so they had to make a store with a gate, and destroy the APIs so that they're useless. Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that and ram it through the pipeline despite everyone's objections, and the frog got boiled. Now we're bac…

> Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. The declarative API idea is pretty good. It's just that uBlock Origin is so insanely useful, important and trusted, it should get full access to the entire browser regardless. Honestly, it should…

Don't defend them then. Do you believe the same should be true of your operating system? If not, then it shouldn't be true of the browser either.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by inigyou »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #100
matheusmoreira wrote: post #43

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> Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. The declarative API idea is pretty good. It's just that uBlock Origin is so insanely useful, important and trusted, it should get full access to the entire browser regardless. Honestly, it should…

Nothing stops people from using a fork with manifest v2 support restored. In fact "VibeChrome" would probably be a successful product.

First you'd get sued because chrome is a Google trademark

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by edoceo »

drtgh wrote: post #116
matheusmoreira wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. The declarative API idea is pretty good. It's just that uBlock Origin is so insanely useful, important and trusted, it should get full access to the entire browser regardless. Honestly, it should…

>Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. Sounds like some kind of Stockholm syndrome. Years ago, it was standard practice for software to be designed so that users could grant permissions to access invasive methods or functions. Google relies on users' personal data (ads), which is why they introduced a unique ID to their Chrome browser (to track).

When was that standard practice? Cause years ago (like 2000) I remember even trivial and simple software (WeatherBug) being able to read/write all over the computer (Windows). And some crap I just installed on Win11 can see all over the box, just slightly less.
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