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John C. Lilly on solid state intelligence and the elimination of man (1978)

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Re: John C. Lilly on solid state intelligence and the elimination of man (1978)

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Post by cyanmoonx »

esseph wrote: post #129
cyanmoonx wrote: post #127

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Hahah what? From the Lilly quote or? What makes you think you can diagnose a person over the Internet with so little info? Especially taking into account people are not always “themselves” online rather than tapping into culture/communication? Sheesh

> I’ve tried to all - I guess DMT, mushroom, etc. don’t work on me in a Terence McKenna storytelling fashion (I only get stoned and have very entertaining closed eye visuals that take me off to sleep). I'm not trying to "diagnose" someone, I'm asking for a correlation of additional observational data. Maybe it's a data point for or against certain conditions and how they interact with different substances, but wouldn…

Instead of trying to diagnose people over the Internet try getting a job or hobby, maybe a side project. Who knows, you might get rich??

I have never taken SSRI so I can't speak on it, but I have smoked mountains of weed and the shaman at the end of time told me that you were an utter dipshit your whole existence. Sorry about that

Re: John C. Lilly on solid state intelligence and the elimination of man (1978)

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Post by esseph »

cyanmoonx wrote: post #131
esseph wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ve tried to all - I guess DMT, mushroom, etc. don’t work on me in a Terence McKenna storytelling fashion (I only get stoned and have very entertaining closed eye visuals that take me off to sleep). I'm not trying to "diagnose" someone, I'm asking for a correlation of additional observational data. Maybe it's a data point for or against certain conditions and how they interact with different substances, but wouldn…

Instead of trying to diagnose people over the Internet try getting a job or hobby, maybe a side project. Who knows, you might get rich?? I have never taken SSRI so I can't speak on it, but I have smoked mountains of weed and the shaman at the end of time told me that you were an utter dipshit your whole existence. Sorry about that

Individual differences in serotonin (5-HT2A) receptor density, sensitivity, or downstream signaling pathways mean that the physical mechanism required to trigger visual or auditory alterations may not fire the same way for everyone.

I'm asking a question about your experience, not trying to diagnose you. I'm asking if you maybe already have been.

> but I have smoked mountains of weed and the shaman at the end of time told me that you were an utter dipshit your whole existence. Sorry about that

Nevermind, don't care anymore. Your response wasn't even to me originally.

Re: John C. Lilly on solid state intelligence and the elimination of man (1978)

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Post by squishington »

PaulHoule wrote: post #119
squishington wrote: post #87

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I think Lilly may have been sort of primed for intense psychedelic experiences. He had angelic visions as a child, and had a very religious upbringing. He was also a very imaginative person, so perhaps that influenced his trips a lot.

I think it is not just "intense" it is whether you realize you had more or less the same experience that everybody else has when they take hallucinogens because it is written in our nervous systems or whether you believe you are "special" and receiving a unique message. People in traditional cultures believed pretty much the same things before the empire [1] sent soldiers and scribes to your ancestor's village. Seen…

Regarding your first paragraph, I don't think the psychedelic experience is predetermined by the substance. There are common traits we all experience on a substance of course, but everyone has a different nervous system. Maybe Lilly even had a touch of schizotypal personality disorder, I don't know. Based on what I've read from Robert Anton Wilson it seems like Lilly was always a strange person, and difficult to understand. I see a bit of narcissistic grandiosity in him. In all his interviews and writing he never really acknowledges his research failures, for example. I think these personality traits could have contributed to his far out experiences and strange belief system. I think he really liked being seen as out there.

Re: John C. Lilly on solid state intelligence and the elimination of man (1978)

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Post by cyanmoonx »

esseph wrote: post #132
cyanmoonx wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of trying to diagnose people over the Internet try getting a job or hobby, maybe a side project. Who knows, you might get rich?? I have never taken SSRI so I can't speak on it, but I have smoked mountains of weed and the shaman at the end of time told me that you were an utter dipshit your whole existence. Sorry about that

Individual differences in serotonin (5-HT2A) receptor density, sensitivity, or downstream signaling pathways mean that the physical mechanism required to trigger visual or auditory alterations may not fire the same way for everyone. I'm asking a question about your experience, not trying to diagnose you. I'm asking if you maybe already have been. > but I have smoked mountains of weed and the shaman at the end of time…

If you knew a thing about it, you’d be more interested in the cannabis use and its widely documented suppression of REM that causes avid users to stop having vivid dreams.

Wouldn’t that be the first thing you’d ask in good faith - what kinds and amounts of other drugs is the person taking, sleep schedule, etc.

Re: John C. Lilly on solid state intelligence and the elimination of man (1978)

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Post by esseph »

cyanmoonx wrote: post #134
esseph wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Individual differences in serotonin (5-HT2A) receptor density, sensitivity, or downstream signaling pathways mean that the physical mechanism required to trigger visual or auditory alterations may not fire the same way for everyone. I'm asking a question about your experience, not trying to diagnose you. I'm asking if you maybe already have been. > but I have smoked mountains of weed and the shaman at the end of time…

If you knew a thing about it, you’d be more interested in the cannabis use and its widely documented suppression of REM that causes avid users to stop having vivid dreams. Wouldn’t that be the first thing you’d ask in good faith - what kinds and amounts of other drugs is the person taking, sleep schedule, etc.

No, that's what you're interested in.

Not what I'm interested in.

What I'm interested in has two parts: Psychedelics used as mental health treatments, and those documented cases of negative reaction to potent psychedelics in people with and without formally diagnosed mental health conditions.

We have some ideas but there needs to be much better data.

This is all wrapped up in just finding effective mental health treatments, btw.

Re: John C. Lilly on solid state intelligence and the elimination of man (1978)

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Post by eager_learner »

eth0up wrote: post #122
eager_learner wrote: post #76

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The isolation-experiment-based research is not new and didn't originate with Lilly. AFAIK, it was first recorded (and possibly also originated) with Avicenna (Abu Ali Ibn-e Sina is the full, correct name). And he was not an Ayrab (Salmon in his intro CS book claims Al-Khuarezmi was an Arabic scholar--which is false and made me lose all respect for Salmon as an educator. If he got such an elementary fact wrong, what e…

This is new to me. Thanks for the info. I think will prove worth looking into

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