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Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by aucisson_masque »

m1keil wrote: post #122
aucisson_masque wrote: post #99

I see the 'battery backed' as an issue. Keeping it plugged in like that is going to harm the battery. That and the fact that my Xiaomi 12 runs USB 2.0 .... I'm stuck running stuff on MacBook at night when I don't use it because of that. Electronic price need to become reasonable again, a 8gb raspberry pi 5 is about 200€ right now. It's absolutely insane. My pi 4 did cost me 40€ a few years ago.

It's an old phone getting a second life, the health of the battery is probably not a big concern at this stage.

yeah but when the battery fails, you loose your "server".

i'm thinking more about long term.

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by ponector »

m1keil wrote: post #122
aucisson_masque wrote: post #99

I see the 'battery backed' as an issue. Keeping it plugged in like that is going to harm the battery. That and the fact that my Xiaomi 12 runs USB 2.0 .... I'm stuck running stuff on MacBook at night when I don't use it because of that. Electronic price need to become reasonable again, a 8gb raspberry pi 5 is about 200€ right now. It's absolutely insane. My pi 4 did cost me 40€ a few years ago.

It's an old phone getting a second life, the health of the battery is probably not a big concern at this stage.

It's not a concern untill the phone is bloated because of damaged battery. Also it can catch fire!

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by tkgally »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #128
tkgally wrote: post #100

Side comment about the difference between “My server is a phone now” and “My phone is a server now.” In linguistics, the terms “theme” and “rheme” refer to the status of information in a sentence [1]. The theme of a sentence is something that is known or can be assumed from the context (that is, old information), while the rheme is information that is newly introduced in the sentence, often as a comment on the theme.…

Isn't there a simpler explanation in that "my server" can refer to a role or to a specific machine? The author uses "server" as a role. So "my server is a phone now" translates to "the server role in my setup is now played by a phone". Maybe this is just a rewording of what you said. You clearly know a lot more than me about linguistics.

Yes, I think that’s a rewording of what I said. As you point out, the word “server” in the title refers to a role, not to a particular device. But that role is, for the writer, something that is already known, so it comes first.

This theme-followed-by-rheme is only a tendency, not a hard and fast rule. In casual conversation, people do tend to structure their sentences that way without even thinking about it. In writing or translation, though, a sentence might need to contain a lot of different elements and, in the process of arranging them, a writer might put the rheme before the theme. Readers might think the resulting sentence seems a bit awkward, but they probably won’t be able to pin down the reason. This “My server is a phone now” title was an exception, because (as the comments below show) some people were confused enough to remark on it.

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by madwolf »

I work in a place where we have about 100 phones in a server room that we use for automated testing of mobile apps. A few phones get chucked out every year due to bloated batteries. We’ve even had one or two explosions. We have them well cooled now and in fireproof containers. We try to do some power management like automatically discharging them every once in a while etc…

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by rtpg »

firasd wrote: post #12

Yeah ‘old phones’ are pretty capable devices. I’ve wondered for a while if they could be used as an extension to your laptop like the old 80s PCs where you would plug in hardware. So ‘make it a server’ is the obvious way I guess, and then you could do things like render webpages on there and then stream them as images to your actual computer (like the now shutdown Mighty app), or run ffmpeg on there to convert a vide…

The thing I've heard with people who do this "at scale" is to expect the phones to burn out. They're made for pretty bursty activity so if you try to do too much on em continuously they start acting weird real quick

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by pelasaco »

> modern, rootable ARM64 phone

which one would people suggest? I got two already, both locked. Google Pixel 3a XL 64GB. Cannot root it, Sinlock. Not possible to install postmarktOS. Xiaomi Redmi Note 8T 64GB. Same thing, some lock, need a SIM card, some proprietary BS.. not possible to root easily.. I really wanted to build a cluster of mobiles, but its hard to find cheap and good mobiles for such experiment... and if i have to pay 500 buckets, i can do better with some Mini PC...

My goal is to reproduce the following experiment https://research.google/blog/a-low-carbon-computing-platform...

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by asdfsa32 »

SomeoneOnTheWeb wrote: post #115
tkgally wrote: post #100

Side comment about the difference between “My server is a phone now” and “My phone is a server now.” In linguistics, the terms “theme” and “rheme” refer to the status of information in a sentence [1]. The theme of a sentence is something that is known or can be assumed from the context (that is, old information), while the rheme is information that is newly introduced in the sentence, often as a comment on the theme.…

This is why I love Hacker News, so many neat info you don't get anywhere else! Thanks for your comment :)

This cliche of "only on hackernews people say interesting stuff" must die.

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by navane »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #128
tkgally wrote: post #100

Side comment about the difference between “My server is a phone now” and “My phone is a server now.” In linguistics, the terms “theme” and “rheme” refer to the status of information in a sentence [1]. The theme of a sentence is something that is known or can be assumed from the context (that is, old information), while the rheme is information that is newly introduced in the sentence, often as a comment on the theme.…

Isn't there a simpler explanation in that "my server" can refer to a role or to a specific machine? The author uses "server" as a role. So "my server is a phone now" translates to "the server role in my setup is now played by a phone". Maybe this is just a rewording of what you said. You clearly know a lot more than me about linguistics.

It's like saying "my server is now white", a common thing people would say roughly a hundred years ago.

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

tkgally wrote: post #100

Side comment about the difference between “My server is a phone now” and “My phone is a server now.” In linguistics, the terms “theme” and “rheme” refer to the status of information in a sentence [1]. The theme of a sentence is something that is known or can be assumed from the context (that is, old information), while the rheme is information that is newly introduced in the sentence, often as a comment on the theme.…

Yeah I first read it as he turned his server into a calling device.
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