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Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by bitwize »

Aurornis wrote: post #95
matheusmoreira wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> presumably you pay for the source material I do. Multiple times, even.

Okay great. Then can you acknowledge that when everyone else is talking about piracy, none of us are talking about you? You are the 0.001% of pirates, but you make assertions here like all pirates are high minded people who are secretly actually paying for the content and are only interested in some extra video quality. That describes such a vanishingly small number of pirates that it’s meaningless in the broader dis…

No, he's still a pirate.

If he doesn't like what the distributor releases, he shouldn't watch the movie or show at all. Paying for a legitimate copy does not grant you infinite legal or moral use of the work, only permission to view the version of the work provided under terms set by the OWNER of the work.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

belinder wrote: post #12
aftbit wrote: post #11

The same argument applies to DRM and piracy. DRM only disadvantages people who want to consume content legally. Only one person has to bypass it (be it through cryptographic or software failings or the good old fashioned analog hole ala telesync) then upload the resulting unencumbered media file to a piracy site. As a result, it's not just cheaper, but also easier and more reliable to steal media than it is to buy it…

Drm is not targeted at the hardcore pirate, it's targeted at a potentially larger percentage of people who would be tempted to get the thing for free if it was easy. Drm may be circumventable, but any complex set of steps for doing so is enough to deter that target audience.

But its all available easily with the DRM already stripped off by the hard core pirates.

My best friend used to download pirated movies all the time - because it was easier than trying to get what he wanted by legal channels. It wasnt even the cost. When Netflix took off, he stopped pirating and paid the subscription.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by crest »

jameshart wrote: post #2

Slight timeline correction: 25 years ago in 2001 Blowfish was no longer contraband - the crypto export rules had been changed by 2000. As of January 2000 Netscape and IE were both shipping 128bit DES internationally. Still, the t-shirts with Blowfish source printed on them were a cool bit of retro hacker chic.

DES doesn't accept 128 bit keys. It's native key size is 56 bits which was commonly extended to 168 with 3DES (encrypt-decrypt-encrypt).

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by matheusmoreira »

bitwize wrote: post #131
Aurornis wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay great. Then can you acknowledge that when everyone else is talking about piracy, none of us are talking about you? You are the 0.001% of pirates, but you make assertions here like all pirates are high minded people who are secretly actually paying for the content and are only interested in some extra video quality. That describes such a vanishingly small number of pirates that it’s meaningless in the broader dis…

No, he's still a pirate. If he doesn't like what the distributor releases, he shouldn't watch the movie or show at all. Paying for a legitimate copy does not grant you infinite legal or moral use of the work, only permission to view the version of the work provided under terms set by the OWNER of the work.

Nobody cares about the owner's "terms".

The whole point of this thread is the fact the owners keep getting outcompeted by a bunch of pirates precisely because of those idiotic "terms" nobody really cares about. The more "terms" they add, the more their product sucks. No one wants to read a dozen pages of legal boilerplate just to have a shitty experience watching some film. Thanks to piracy, they don't have to.

Literal rent seeking monopolists don't get to preach about morals either. Knock copyright duration all the way back to 20 years and maybe the monopoly becomes tolerable enough for us to listen to the plight of creators.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by aetherspawn »

mrmuagi wrote: post #41
aetherspawn wrote: post #40

It’s kind of a bit ridiculous for Opus to blow up the minute I ask it to read from Ghidra, when the Chinese models, and even OpenAI, do not. Leave the legality up to me, please, and don’t presume to be a power tool vendor regulating the use of their power drills, so to speak.

Was going to ask you to elaborate but from your update I caught refreshing I see it kneecaps itself for safety? I'm a hobbiest reverse engineer and I often use ida free/ollydbg to reverse engineer stuff. I'm tempted to use try and use llms as a help (I've used it for help with instruction one offs successfully, but not the decompiling/trying to make sense of decompiled functions).

Yeah try Sonnet 5, it has no guardrails and it can run continuously. Hook it up to IDA, or I use Ghidra, with MCP and it can autonomously search for whatever you tell it to using a text prompt. It’s way faster than doing it by hand.

Only issue is Sonnet is kind of a silly model and whilst it’s good at searching for stuff, it lacks a little bit of common sense compared to Opus or Fable, so you’ll have to drive it.

You can tell it stuff like “find the code that handles the immobiliser” and it will give you a result in around 2 hours, which would take me weeks by hand.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by joeisnotjane »

deyiao wrote: post #32

It's unfortunate that the final few years of the fastest AGI progress happen to coincide with a global surge in nationalism, polarization, and mutual hostility between human groups. That raises a disturbing failure mode: under intense conflict, an AI could learn that exterminating some groups of humans is a justified or even desirable objective. Once that principle is accepted, the step to concluding that exterminati…

The rise of "nationalism and mutual hostility between human groups" is mostly due to the establishment / capitalists / "national security services" of USA.

You make it appear as though it is from all sides, but it is not, it is the old odious "Bzhezinsky doctrine".

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by casey2 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #29
belinder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drm is not targeted at the hardcore pirate, it's targeted at a potentially larger percentage of people who would be tempted to get the thing for free if it was easy. Drm may be circumventable, but any complex set of steps for doing so is enough to deter that target audience.

Piracy is a service problem. Copyright monopolists always defeat themselves with their obnoxious greed. Things were easy enough when Netflix had a complete catalog, now every studio wants to roll their own shitty streaming services in order to cut Netflix out. Result is a fragmented mess where you want to watch a great film but you have no idea where the hell it even is, and even if you find it you discover it doesn'…

The main problem is that media doesn't cost enough. It's all bundled so the true price is hidden. I'd gladly play thousands to watch a movie/series if studios could take that signal and work with it. $15 or whatever is the same as free most of the content is for people who don't care (or care way to much about miscellaneous trivia)

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by jrm4 »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #78
matheusmoreira wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is a service problem. Copyright monopolists always defeat themselves with their obnoxious greed. Things were easy enough when Netflix had a complete catalog, now every studio wants to roll their own shitty streaming services in order to cut Netflix out. Result is a fragmented mess where you want to watch a great film but you have no idea where the hell it even is, and even if you find it you discover it doesn'…

Every time this argument comes up, it doesn’t explain why piracy rates are much lower, despite having a lot of service problems. Piracy is a cultural thing. And I’m saying this as someone who kinda understands the pirate’s position.

That would be because "piracy rates" are not, in fact, much lower.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by inigyou »

fy20 wrote: post #115
tokioyoyo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time this argument comes up, it doesn’t explain why piracy rates are much lower, despite having a lot of service problems. Piracy is a cultural thing. And I’m saying this as someone who kinda understands the pirate’s position.

I think something that worked well (against privacy) is in the US ISPs work with the studios, and you will get a letter threatening to be sued if you download a torrent. My country doesn't have that... And everyone I know uses torrents. Netflix etc is also popular, as it's easier if the content is there. But if it's not... people know where to find it.

IIRC most of the US ISPs are simply owned by the movie studios now. They bought them to fight piracy.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by inigyou »

bitwize wrote: post #131
Aurornis wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay great. Then can you acknowledge that when everyone else is talking about piracy, none of us are talking about you? You are the 0.001% of pirates, but you make assertions here like all pirates are high minded people who are secretly actually paying for the content and are only interested in some extra video quality. That describes such a vanishingly small number of pirates that it’s meaningless in the broader dis…

No, he's still a pirate. If he doesn't like what the distributor releases, he shouldn't watch the movie or show at all. Paying for a legitimate copy does not grant you infinite legal or moral use of the work, only permission to view the version of the work provided under terms set by the OWNER of the work.

If that's what you actually believe, it's either because you have financial ties to the owners, or you are in the authority-obeying Kohlberg stage. There is no simple universal answer to whether piracy is moral. It is easy to argue that giving money to rich corporations who fuck everything up is worse than not giving them money.
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