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Why would they need to do it in their own waters?
Because fish farms are generally stationary?
Is it not possible to build a floating farm in international waters?
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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences
#132I am surprised by the statement "Today, salmon sushi is a staple of Japanese cuisine" While in Japan a few years ago, I found no salmon on the menu in sushi places. When inquiring why, we were told that salmon is not that good, and that is more a food for kids than adults. Did it change or are we just one data point?
Salmon sushi is very popular, but it's not part of the traditional Edomae style (fish from the Tokyo bay), so the more upscale or traditional restaurants often don't serve it.
Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences
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It's hard to say, depending on how far back your idea of "a few years ago" might be or where exactly you ate. After all, Japan has a lot of sushi restaurants and even different sushi styles. For example, you definitely wouldn't find salmon in an edomae sushi restaurant. For reference, salmon was the most popular choice in conveyor belt sushi places 3 years ago. https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01627/
Ah, interesting stats, specially the second part when they say what type of sushi they refrain from eating. I guess that ōtoro and chūtoro is due to price. And uni... Maybe because of the flavor? It can be a bit of an acquired taste...
I think most people like uni, but it's also one of the most expensive sushi you can get at kaitenzushi
Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences
#134Would not feed it to my worst enemy.
Comes down to finances ultimately? If can afford wild then get wild, otherwise farmed is cheaper. No different to farmed animals or non organic crops. All three are maximised for growth rate and revenue
There's more than finances behind what you choose to eat.
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I remember asking a Japanese chef in Japan, in 2019, and the answer I got was that sushi is much less popular in Japan than believed outside of Japan, and a lot more people eat rice and chicken, pork, etc., than salmon.
For thousands of years all Japanese people had was fish and rice. When countries become wealthy and open up to trade the population wants to eat exotic stuff. What Japan eats today would be nigh unrecognisable to cooks a hundred years ago.
Fish and rice isn't synonymous with sushi. Grilled fish, tempura-fried fish and soups with pieces of fish are all popular in Japanese cuisine.
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#136There have been critical articles about the lice problem in Norwegian newspapers for years, so it's honestly relieving to finally see it talked about abroad. I've felt shameful whenever people talk about the "superior Norwegian salmon". Hopefully international attention is what it takes for change to meaningfully happen beyond some R&D.
Solvable by using lasers!
Not "sharks with lasers" but "Stingray Laser system"
https://www.kvaroyarctic.com/the-stingray-laser-system-the-s...
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> Astaxanthin for the color fair. Why is it fair? Wild salmon also consume astaxanthin. It’s like complaining that the farmers are bad for trying to mimic the fish’s natural diet.
Farmed salmon meat is pink, whereas wild salmon meat is white/greyish. A dull color. They don’t put the coloring in the food to emulate natural food sources. They do it because it looks more appealing to most consumers.
> wild salmon meat is white/greyish. A dull color.
You had not seen a lot of wild salmon, apparently.
Is called salmon color for something. Sea trouts are the fishes with whitish meat normally. Both wild and cultured trouts can have "salmon" colored meat when feed on a diet rich in carotenes.
All of this looks like the typical smear campaign online when Chinese need more time to develop some product.
And then, suddenly, the plague of videos of "electric vehicles" burning on a garage vanished overnight. And now we can purchase Chinese electric vehicles.
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#138Strange to have an article about salmon farming drawbacks without mentioning escaped salmons polluting the wild salmon population. There has been a strong decrease in wild salmon as they lose the ability to migrate back up the river to lay their eggs due to breeding with escaped farming salmon.
This problem has been solved long time ago. Farmed salmons are sterile and can not reproduce, by design.
Jurassic park vibes here. I know, I know...
Okay, say the damned phrase and shut up.
Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences
#139There have been critical articles about the lice problem in Norwegian newspapers for years, so it's honestly relieving to finally see it talked about abroad. I've felt shameful whenever people talk about the "superior Norwegian salmon". Hopefully international attention is what it takes for change to meaningfully happen beyond some R&D.
This other problem is partially solved.
Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences
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I suppose natural selection will act on those salmon that can't reproduce.
One possible outcome of that is the extinction of wild salmon.
And, another could be to increase the populations of wild salmon
Dumber here is a feature, not a bug. The dumber the farmed escaped salmons are, the better.
Imagine 10 wild salmons swimming up the river to reproduce, 8 of then are devoured by bears. Only Rick and Jenny survive.
Now imagine the same salmons swimming up the river to reproduce, but joined by 40 farmed sterile salmons. And 8 of them are devoured by bears.
The reproductive success of the wild ones have increased, because security is in the numbers. Being easier to catch, bigger, clueless and extra-dumb, farmed salmons will attract the predators and more wild ones will reach the end.