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EU Fines Google $1.02B for Favoring Its Own Services
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#132The EU has found a clever way to charge US tech companies for market access without triggering a WTO violation.
The WTO is paralyzed since 2019. Nobody cares about it anymore:
"Since 2019, when the Donald Trump administration began blocking appointments to the body, the Appellate Body has been unable to enforce WTO rules and punish violators of WTO rules.[3][4][2] Subsequently, disregard for trade rules has increased, leading to more trade protectionist measures.[4][5] The Joe Biden administration maintained the freeze on new appointments."
Re: EU Fines Google $1.02B for Favoring Its Own Services
#133The EU should demand that Google must be split up. Maps, Youtube, Search, Ads, Android, GCP should all be separate companies. Everything else is just childs play.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if the EU will someday figure out a patch for this "Deteriorate everyone's user experience in a way that is technically compliant and blame the EU" behavioural exploit...
I'm blaming Google for this, but most people just don't know why it happens. Probably they'll end up mandating that Google must show a notice with the reason and it will be implemented in the worst possible way. All of these hissy fits Google and Apple are throwing are just making me wanting to use them less and less and I'm doing my best to explain how tech companies are doing malicious compliance to others.
How about EU starts legistlating towards a competitive market and creates its own web search Tech Giant ?
So Google is forced to take competitor to account or will be pushed out of the market ?
No? Better to complain and do nothing positive? Welcome to EU Parliment.
Re: EU Fines Google $1.02B for Favoring Its Own Services
#135Curious, where do the 1B go? What is this money used for and who benefits from this fine?
Re: EU Fines Google $1.02B for Favoring Its Own Services
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if the EU will someday figure out a patch for this "Deteriorate everyone's user experience in a way that is technically compliant and blame the EU" behavioural exploit...
Yeah, it's very overpowered and should be nerfed - they still haven't patched the cookie consent dialogs out. To expand upon the silly comment a bit, not sure about this particular initiative, but to me it very much feels like something that should be configurable at browser level, instead of half-assed dark-pattern-filled JS dialogs: https://killthecookiebanner.eu/
It definitely should be, but this just goes to show that regulations are necessary if we don't want companies to unnecessarily screw with users. It would have been better that way for every user, but it would be worse for people who want to sell everyone's personal information.
Oh, and please ignore that this surveillance apparatus is now being used to expell people, all of which already has resulted in many missing people, and even some deaths. Any historical parallels are entirely coincidental.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh, on the other hand the EU has now effectively forced usb-c for devices after apple refused to play it clean for years and they still got people who complained (how dare the regulator be opiniated toward tech !). The EU loves to play it the european way, and while on the surface it seems "oh that means regulations" in reality it's a "figure it out yourselves and please behave like adult, we don't want to deal with…
> Eh, on the other hand the EU has now effectively forced usb-c for devices after apple refused to play it clean for years and they still got people who complained (how dare the regulator be opiniated toward tech !). They almost forced micro USB for devices, which would have been far worse: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/06/10-companies-agree-t...
This is a tired talking point. Yes, they were considering enforcing the most common standard at the time if the industry didn't want to play along.
Unless you have evidence that they'd have prevented the industry from suggesting/agreeing on a better standard in that timeline, MicroUSB would have made the most sense at the time.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Eh, on the other hand the EU has now effectively forced usb-c for devices after apple refused to play it clean for years and they still got people who complained (how dare the regulator be opiniated toward tech !). They almost forced micro USB for devices, which would have been far worse: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/06/10-companies-agree-t...
This is a tired talking point. Yes, they were considering enforcing the most common standard at the time if the industry didn't want to play along. Unless you have evidence that they'd have prevented the industry from suggesting/agreeing on a better standard in that timeline, MicroUSB would have made the most sense at the time.
> Unless you have evidence that they'd have prevented the industry from suggesting/agreeing on a better standard in that timeline, MicroUSB would have made the most sense at the time.
The evidence is the law that they passed for USB-C: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
Mandating a plug means that it is effectively never going to change.
1: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plus that just isn't how governments work. Governments work by imposing costs on others. They do not build.
"What have the Romans ever done for us?"
I merely illustrate that the EU commission certainly has the means to replace Google in the EU. Build a new Youtube. Build the services that society, frankly, depends on now ... which is quite a few of them.
And they're not doing that. They are only making it harder for existing services to exist, in order to change the situation, and in order to make money for themselves. But they're not helping in the sense of building anything.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a tired talking point. Yes, they were considering enforcing the most common standard at the time if the industry didn't want to play along. Unless you have evidence that they'd have prevented the industry from suggesting/agreeing on a better standard in that timeline, MicroUSB would have made the most sense at the time.
> Unless you have evidence that they'd have prevented the industry from suggesting/agreeing on a better standard in that timeline, MicroUSB would have made the most sense at the time. The evidence is the law that they passed for USB-C : https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A... Mandating a plug means that it is effectively never going to change. 1: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/…
Oh come on. Laws aren't immutable.
If this were an actual issue, you'd easily be able to point out all the previous times similar laws have kept us stuck on outdated standards. For some reason that's never the line of argumentation, it's always just "it will never change". Some political systems are actually able to pass & update laws.