The copyright/Anti-ai angle is likely an excuse and they're running
out of money for hosting, hence errors and anti-scraping blocks.
Its completely absurd to think they somehow waited years to ban AI for copyright, while deleting
anything they deem as copyright infringing.
Looks like those vibe-powered opensource projects will mighrate
to somewhere else.
Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
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Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#132It would be cool if they just admitted that this is ideologically motivated rather than hide behind pragmatic excuses. 1) "unclear copyright status" Even if the copyright concern was legitimate (highly doubt so), Codeberg would be fully protected under safe harbor laws. 2) "little safeguards to ensure that they do not include harmful code" Inclusion of harmful code is no more likely than human-extruded code (probably…
> fully protected under safe harbor laws Well, not quite, it would still have to deal with handling and moderating copyright claims under German law. So while it's not a legal issue, it's definitely overhead for a nonprofit. > Inclusion of harmful code is no more likely than human-extruded code (probably less actually). Based on what? So if I set up a markov chain and generate a couple ten thousand lines of python co…
> Well, not quite, it would still have to deal with handling and moderating copyright claims under German law. So while it's not a legal issue, it's definitely overhead for a nonprofit.
Who is sending all those takedown requests on vibe coded repos? My guess is that this is absolutely not an issue that they actually have.
> Based on what?
LLMs produce buggy code. Humans do too. Like you mentioned, it's difficult to say one is categorically worse than the other since both humans and LLMs vary so much. By "less likely" I was just thinking about the fact that LLMs often refuse to intentionally produce harmful code.
Anyways, my point was that this is just a pretext. If by some objective measure they discovered that vibe coded repos were less likely to contain "harmful code", do you really think they would enact the opposite policy (e.g. ban non vibe coded projects)? Don't think so.
Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#133GOOD! Now I'm seriously considering moving to coderberg. Their website is also 10 times faster than github already.
All my active repos have both codeberg and github remotes now. Unfortunately codeberg can be very slow or even impossible to push/pull from sometimes which is the only reason I’m still maintaining GitHub repos.
Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#134It seems the conflict between LLM/AI and programmers is getting hotter and hotter by the week. I wonder where all of this will lead. Our times are uncertain. Many people believe with certainity the future. But only one will come true.
> But only one will come true. Eh, if this would be true than we would have arrived at a single religion, a single language, a single economic system or a single political ideology. Reality is the opposite, ideas tend to diverge instead of converge. E.g. the 'agentic engineering believers' will just be another tribe in the jungle.
I know what you mean, but its not about if a certain ideology is right. Its about reality. Reality will not diverge it will stay as one. Like the future it cannot diverge there will only be one future. I didnt want to imply that only one purposed future can be true.
I wanted to say that it does not matter in which future the different camps believe in. There will only be one future and no one knows how it will look like.
Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#135The copyright/Anti-ai angle is likely an excuse and they're running out of money for hosting, hence errors and anti-scraping blocks. Its completely absurd to think they somehow waited years to ban AI for copyright, while deleting anything they deem as copyright infringing. Looks like those vibe-powered opensource projects will mighrate to somewhere else.
> Looks like those vibe-powered opensource projects will mighrate to somewhere else.
You say this as if it’s a big loss.
Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#136Good job But how to check which projects are vibe coded?
I know it when I see it.
Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#137What is a vibe coded project? Where does it start? Cursor autocomplete? One shot Github project copies? [Edit] The pull link is https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253/files and says "7. You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude , OpenAI Codex ). Such projects having an unclear copyright status (see requirements § 2 (1) 1 and § 2 (…
Noone can discuss in good faith if the argument is: "If generated in bulk by vibe code" >> "what if I generate word by word with autocomplete".
This is IMHO the reason why we can't have sanity, because there are people ready to hack it.
Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#138What is a vibe coded project? Where does it start? Cursor autocomplete? One shot Github project copies? [Edit] The pull link is https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253/files and says "7. You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude , OpenAI Codex ). Such projects having an unclear copyright status (see requirements § 2 (1) 1 and § 2 (…
If this opens more questions than it answers, then you are simply discovering that you don't understand copyright (which is ok, but not the fault of the Codeberg policy).
> You must not share projects that mostly consist [of LLM-generated code]
> Such projects having an unclear copyright status
There is no bright-line threshold at which a code contribution becomes copyrightable (and therefore relevant). It is a legal question determined by courts. However, nobody in practice has any difficulty determining whether their code is copyrightable.
Codeberg is essentially asking/demanding that "your code" coincides with "code you hold the copyright for". This responsibility can be delegated to other humans, but not to LLMs.
Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#139What is a vibe coded project? Where does it start? Cursor autocomplete? One shot Github project copies? [Edit] The pull link is https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253/files and says "7. You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude , OpenAI Codex ). Such projects having an unclear copyright status (see requirements § 2 (1) 1 and § 2 (…
Noone can discuss in good faith if the argument is: "If generated in bulk by vibe code" >> "what if I generate word by word with autocomplete". This is IMHO the reason why we can't have sanity, because there are people ready to hack it.
I don't think this is a bad-faith response. Someone might fully retain copyright while using heavy autocomplete. I don't think such a person would be banned by the codeberg policy. This is at least a little bit unintuitive.
Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Once you look at how German anti-nuclear lobbying set Europe back decades on its energy independence and made us dependent on authoritarian hellholes of the world, it all makes sense. They just want to do the same with AI.
Open source code that is AI authored is worthless. If I need an LLM authored, idk, terminal emulator, I will simply ask my AI or use one of the tens of thousands out there.
It depends what you mean by "AI authored". If you mean one-shotted vide code, then yes. If you mean someone providing detailed instructions for architecture and functionality and reviewing the code, then it does have a lot of value.