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Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by NordStreamYacht »

shevy-java wrote: post #109
NordStreamYacht wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They even roll back corrections to grammar. Power tripping overrides common sense.

This could be automatic. I noticed this myself because I corrected both typos in english and german wikipedia; sometimes they are reverted, sometimes not. There seems no logic in it, so I assumed that in some cases this must have been automatic wiki bots reverting something.

This was like 10 years ago. Long before the real invasion of the bots. I don't even remember the username or password of my account any more.

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by lifthrasiir »

dickiedyce wrote: post #121
lifthrasiir wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an actual esolang enthusiast (and a past Wikipedia administrator two decades ago), I can say that Malbolge is only notable because it remained unsolved for the extended period only due to the lack of serious attempts. It doesn't even pass the meme criteria IMO.

Although, didn’t it appear in a popular culture reference? I seem to remember an episode of “elementary“ that mentioned it.

Oh, sure, the "In Popular Culture" section is a prerequisite for every Wikipedia article. ;-)

In seriousness though, the Malbolge article (2003) significantly predates the TV series in question (2012--2019). I wouldn't be surprised that writers got the info from Wikipedia.

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by hatefulheart »

pphysch wrote: post #130
stock_toaster wrote: post #100

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> And the really insidious thing about this, is the fundamental asymmetry of effort between creation and deletion. Creating a Wikipedia article can take hours, days, or longer, of effort. Tagging an article as AfD takes a few seconds. The actual deletion (once whatever discussion happens) probably takes even less time. Not really relevant in this case (that the article talks about), but I don't think that it is so cu…

The fact is GingerBill or someone else could have kept the article up with enough money spent on the right PR firm that knows how to turn the Wikipedia knobs.

This is also why the conclusion of the article is extremely bizarre. I’m not keeping my eyes peeled for more articles from this individual.

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by baranul »

JBits wrote: post #41

It is disappointing to see that the v programming language has a Wikipedia article given it's history of being essentially fraudulent.

This type of odd vitriol against vlang, when the language has nothing to do with Wikipedia's processes, is both misplaced and demonstrates succumbing to excessive fanaticism from competitor propaganda. The origins of this strange sentiment, appears to partially come from Odin's creator, making the situation a bit of poetic justice. We are here to witness vlang's creator having a Wikipedia page, while Odin's creator still doesn't, and despite his language being older.

Odin being rejected or found unworthy to have an article, is about its supporters or helpers (which includes C3's creator and the author of the self published Odin eBook) not providing proper references. The jealousy or shooting strays at other languages should instead have that energy redirected elsewhere.

Wikipedia has a standard, that when challenged (under AfD or Articles for Deletion)[1], all articles must pass it or be subject to deletion. Those are Wikipedia rules, not vlang's or those of other languages. Meet the requirements that Wikipedia is asking for, instead of unleashing anger at other languages.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio...

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by Alpha3031 »

shevy-java wrote: post #108

Wikipedia can be strange sometimes, in particular the german variant. Ignoring all other factors, IMO there should be an article about Odin the programming language. Deleting an article about something that exists, is incredibly stupid; not sure why Wikipedia resorts to that. If Wikipdia deems Odin not noteworthy - and I don't really care about Odin myself - then the article could be kept short. That would still be b…

Wikipedia is very explicitly not a indiscriminate database of everything,[1] and dismissing anyone in the editing community who attempts curate it as CensorshipBros is the same type of twitter bullshitting called out by the blog post in the OP.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:What_Wi...

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by traes »

chris_wot wrote: post #120
recursivecaveat wrote: post #14

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I would consider it extremely obscure overall. A large majority of programmers would not be aware of its existence. At the same time there are clearly much less popular languages with articles so it is kindof weird to push to delete. (eg: random scheme implementation w/ no releases in 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SISC ) I would say that wikipedia broadly favors programming languages as far as notability. Li…

Not more obscure than Brainfuck.

What? Brainfuck is the single least obscure esoteric programming language. It's the most famous example of a simple Turing complete language and its provocative name gets it a fair amount of media coverage outside its niche.
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