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Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Post by Arodex »

lmm wrote: post #115
jghn wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> taking an officially-experimental vaccine by the back door Two things. 1) mRNA technology was not experimental 2) I don't know about you but I got my shot in the shoulder, not the back door

> 1) mRNA technology was not experimental Perhaps, but the specific vaccines were. > 2) I don't know about you but I got my shot in the shoulder, not the back door As I'm sure you understood, I was talking about coercion by the back door - the whole "we're not going to force individuals to vaccinate, but we're going to force restaurants and gyms to require vaccination" approach. (And don't try to say it was an object…

>And don't try to say it was an objective public health measure - if that was the case they would've made natural immunity as acceptable as vaccination)

It was an objective public health measure, because it is well-known from actual examples that opening such option would lead people to try to get infected instead of being vaccinated, breeding even more variants and hospital saturation.

Note also that "previous contamination" has never been an acceptable derogation in any public health system for any of the compulsory vaccinations.

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Post by hackingonempty »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #96
andsoitis wrote: post #17

It turns out eventually you have to deal with reality.

All of this talk about reality is giving them way too much credit. The simple fact is that we’re dealing with idiots and pure stupidity. Idiots elected them and the idiots are having their day in the sun. Unfortunately, their stupidity is no longer contained to the office environments and executive leadership roles they had before. They are unfortunately able to make decisions that affect the general population. The…

Secretary Hegseth earned a BA from Princeton and an MPP from Harvard.

Princeton and Harvard are graduating idiots?

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

jghn wrote: post #88
anon-3988 wrote: post #47

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Hot take but we should let reality deal the blow. There's so many things that people think is redundant and unnecessary but actually have an army of people and machination that are working tirelessly to curb it. Only to called bloat and the deep state. Vaccines should not be given automatically, because that causes people to not think about why they need it. They think that it is something is imposed on them. But if…

The problem with this thinking on something like vaccines is that vaccines literally rely on a certain percentage of the population having received the vaccine. It's not actually possible to allow a personal choice policy if you want a vaccine to be effective.

I wouldn't necessarily declare that vaccines rely on sufficient population vaccination, but there's always going to be people who cannot take the vaccine (e.g. immune-compromised individuals) and their protection comes from the population having a high percentage of immunity due to the vaccines. Of course, having the majority being immune means that any outbreak tends to finish quickly as the virus runs out of people/vectors to infect.

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

jlebar wrote: post #102
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #82

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> They're not. They're not particularly effective for preventing flu in an individual. But at the group level, they have a clear and useful effect. This is my understanding. It basically would have marginally reduced the cost of the flu coming through, right? But thats not the impression that I would get from any of the discussion here. Am I wrong?

Parent poster is saying that even though the effect on an individual is low relative to other vaccines, the effect of a whole group taking the vaccine is actually very high . This the opposite of your understanding. The benefit to the individuals in a group from the whole group taking the vaccine is actually much larger than the benefit to an individual in the group of taking the vaccine solo. You can read more about…

Are you sure? Your link ends with this:

> Combined with the brutal arithmetic at higher R0R_0 R0 , this is a large part of why flu vaccination programs are generally justified on individual protection against illness and severe outcomes rather than on a realistic expectation of achieving herd immunity and stopping circulation.

On the one hand, in a military setting you can feasibly achieve 100% compliance. But if you don't stop transmission (which it sounds like we don't have good data saying it would), you don't get herd immunity.

So I think you're back to just the benefits of reduction in disease, which is not nothing, but it is marginal like I said originally.

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Post by vitally3643 »

jemmyw wrote: post #109
sandworm101 wrote: post #27

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The covid refusal also became a scam. If you refused then you couldnt be deployed. But it tool months to kick people out. So people who didnt want to deploy would refuse and then agree to get the shot at the last minute. So it kept them home for up to six months while thier buddies went overseas..

The US has a volunteer army, if you don't want to do army things why be there in the first place?

Young people want the benefits like the promised free college, but don't want to get sent off to die for a cause nobody believes in and nobody approved.

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Post by hammock »

bjustin wrote: post #99
hammock wrote: post #80

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“Freedom works for me but I want to also control millions of other people, for the good of me and their own good since they don’t know any better”

“Finding and halting the boot stomping on your friends and neighbors is a violation of your friends’ and neighbors’ freedoms”

Sounds nice but is that what you really mean? The government created Covid, let it leak from a lab and now people want to give them power to force millions of innocent people take the medicine they also created. “Finding and halting the boot” would look a little different from that in my mind

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Post by hammock »

ligne wrote: post #126
hammock wrote: post #80

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“Freedom works for me but I want to also control millions of other people, for the good of me and their own good since they don’t know any better”

"Well you need to exercise more and eat more vegetables" is true, but it's only practicable advice if people have access to exercise facilities and healthy food, and the time to make use of them. Otherwise you may as well be blaming fire victims for not being incombustible.

“You need to x” is still the (apparently flawed?) personal responsibility model.

Replace “you” with “we will do x to you whether you like it or not” and now we’re talking

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