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Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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As an outsider the accusation "Canvassing" seems like a double edged sword. Similar to Reddits "Brigading" but without the hostile intention. It's not clear to me, how Wikipedia prevents this rule from being used inappropriately to silence people.

Correct, and Administrators (and users invoking administrators) will often selectively use rules to pursue editorial purposes. I learned about wikipedia rules before learning about actual law, it's interesting to see exactly how the mechanisms of modern democracy protect against the specific ways in which Wikipedia fails: 1- Separation of powers between rulemakers and judges. In practice many Administrators who have…

> 1- Separation of powers between rulemakers and judges. In practice many Administrators who have the power to enforce rules and bans are actually editing articles themselves!

There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Invol...

While admins do have the rights to block users or protect pages, many a times, they leave it to other admins to carry out the administrative actions on the users or pages they are involved with. The editors have recalled or reported admins who had overstepped such boundaries one too many times as well.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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As an outsider the accusation "Canvassing" seems like a double edged sword. Similar to Reddits "Brigading" but without the hostile intention. It's not clear to me, how Wikipedia prevents this rule from being used inappropriately to silence people.

There is a scale, sorta...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Canvassing

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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So to summarize: he resuggested "WikiProject Intellectual Diversity", a group with the goal to make "Wikipedia more intellectually diverse" and "ensure fair and open decision-making and governance, broaden the range of permissible sources, reinforce genuine neutrality, rein in over-aggressive blocking while holding the powerful to higher standards of accountability", etc, with the implied undertone of preventing Wiki…

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Much like “free speech.”

Do people really not understand how propaganda works? Or do they just pretend not to in order to help enact these otherwise unpalatable policies?

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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> advocating for whitelisting of sources like Fox News As I understood it, he wasn't advocating for whitelisting Fox News, he was advocating for removing the blacklist. That's a stark difference. > it's not a good look for Sanger either way. What doesn't look good for him? It doesn't seem that he has an intent other than enabling the viewpoint of those other than the far-left, which compromise almost the entirety of…

Can you show me a single far left wikipedia admin?

Heh, I remember being surprised when I looked up the editor for some great Russian history articles and saw that he identified as a straight-up monarchist.

Wikipedia editors are a bunch of diverse, geeky kooks.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Yes agreed, for example, there was an interesting table on the starlink page I used to check every so often showing which countries had access to starlink as it was rolled out. Was interesting to see the expansion. Of course, some editor decided it was 'marketing' for starlink so it got deleted despite loads of people protesting. It was the only source I could find easily for showing which country got starlink when.…

And the worst is the cycle: 1. There is incorrect information on wikipedia. 2. Legacy news publishes an article, using wikipedia as source (of course). 3. Now the incorrect information is essentially canonized

Citogenesis, a well-known hazard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_citogenesis_...

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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I see. But there's pages about other aspects of Marxist theory some of which I'm sure was used to excuse crimes against humanity by the Nazis and other evil doers. See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Marxism In general Wikipedia takes an anti censorship approach regarding articles which can cause evil. So why is the aspect of Marxism which deals with culture completely taboo and not represented? I'm not e…

I think the article about the conspiracy theory you linked addresses your concerns quite well, it talks about what the Frankfurt school was actually about and the way the far right has been twisting it to support the narrative that has led to so many dead. I'm not sure why you were so opposed to said article, I read it and it seems to lay everything out pretty well, including full sourcing. Could you tell me what exa…

> it talks about what the Frankfurt school was actually about

Can you quote it here? I seem to have missed it in my rereading.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Yes agreed, for example, there was an interesting table on the starlink page I used to check every so often showing which countries had access to starlink as it was rolled out. Was interesting to see the expansion. Of course, some editor decided it was 'marketing' for starlink so it got deleted despite loads of people protesting. It was the only source I could find easily for showing which country got starlink when.…

And the worst is the cycle: 1. There is incorrect information on wikipedia. 2. Legacy news publishes an article, using wikipedia as source (of course). 3. Now the incorrect information is essentially canonized

or:

1: the media has a vested interest in only reporting a certain slant, because it involves criticizing the media

2: because the media is the only source deemed reliable, that slant becomes the truth

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Yes agreed, for example, there was an interesting table on the starlink page I used to check every so often showing which countries had access to starlink as it was rolled out. Was interesting to see the expansion. Of course, some editor decided it was 'marketing' for starlink so it got deleted despite loads of people protesting. It was the only source I could find easily for showing which country got starlink when.…

And the worst is the cycle: 1. There is incorrect information on wikipedia. 2. Legacy news publishes an article, using wikipedia as source (of course). 3. Now the incorrect information is essentially canonized

If you spot it in Wikipedia, point it out, it does get removed. Leaving a comment on the talk page gets editors on-board to patrol for accidental attempts to add the incorrect information back in. Wikipedia does not like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citogenesis

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Much like “free speech.” Do people really not understand how propaganda works? Or do they just pretend not to in order to help enact these otherwise unpalatable policies?

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Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Yes, banned by the status quo for trying to disturb it. Wikipedia is nowadays highly politicized and more time and energy are spent on politics than on actually contributing with any useful knowledge. I've stopped contributing years ago after a decade of writing because of how bad things had gotten. It's a lost battle, all that remains is scorched earth filled with toxic editors trying to push their POV and banning e…

Yes agreed, for example, there was an interesting table on the starlink page I used to check every so often showing which countries had access to starlink as it was rolled out. Was interesting to see the expansion. Of course, some editor decided it was 'marketing' for starlink so it got deleted despite loads of people protesting. It was the only source I could find easily for showing which country got starlink when.…

> There was an interesting table on the starlink page I used to check every so often showing which countries had access to starlink as it was rolled out. Was interesting to see the expansion. [...] Of course, some editor decided it was 'marketing' for starlink so it got deleted despite loads of people protesting.

...I mean, yeah, that doesn't sound particularly encyclopedic. "Marketing" might be a bit strong but that doesn't mean it belongs in a general encyclopedia.

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