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Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by wqaatwt »

psychoslave wrote: post #127
wqaatwt wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also extreme risk aversion and generally very conservative business culture stuck in 60s (just less accepting of innovation than back then)

What's wrong with risk aversion? If that could prevent things like what happen in the USA currently, I would centuple down risk aversion. Europe already domestically had to suffer two world war consequences. Yes being prudent and staying safe have costs. Acting stubbornly as base mindset all the time also have costs.

Economic stagnation for the past 15+ years? Economic growth almost stopped in much of Europe after the GFC.

> suffer two world war consequences

I don’t particularly see how relates to general attitudes towards innovation.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by dolmen »

rndm77be9f wrote: post #76
benrutter wrote: post #67

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That might be true for social media, but there are 100s of American brands that make a large point of being thought of as an "American company" or "American made" goods.

Does the average non-HN type in Europe hold comparable pan-European or even plain National Pride? I think here of the German national relationship with their own flag and feel skeptical of a comparison here.

This is becoming a thing in computing because sovereignty suddenly matters in the new context.

France pushes its SecNumCloud standard for critical infrastructure or handling of critical data (ex: health) through law. So, this may not be about pride, but the result is similar.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by dolmen »

davedigerati wrote: post #77
rayiner wrote: post #52

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You’re probably right i’m just thinking out loud. It is interesting that software has resisted quality-based segmentation, something that exists in almost every other type of product.

very interesting thought experiment here. I wonder how much it would take in a monthly subscription to offset the money they make in ads? picturing an Instagram without drivel and the crap and the manipulative behavior, that I would pay for simply to escape for 15 minutes. Curate the good content, heck create AI content I don't care I'm there to just mentally check out for a bit. Time lock it based on my prefs so tha…

If you pay a premium price, you're an even more interesting target for others premium brands, so the best target for advertisers. And they are too greedy to leave you alone.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by tomhow »

ftmootnomoat wrote: post #31
jstummbillig wrote: post #19

Here is an idea for a EU product: Build something that is great, and make it so good, that everyone, including US citizens, will want to use it. Your ethics can still be great, but don't make me feel like your product won't be. If you have to market "Europe" or privacy it probably won't be.

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If you're going to use the word, just type the word. We don't need grawlix here.

But also, don't comment like this on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better than this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by Radle »

iamnothere wrote: post #110
Radle wrote: post #68

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Yes, but us universities aren’t financially accessible to most people and access depends more on connections and families than merit. But your link also is only relevant to the university system. It doesn’t change the fact that the non university part of education is severely financially crippled in major areas of the country in order to hinder black people from getting proper education. Combined with a burnout intro…

> us universities aren’t financially accessible to most people On the contrary, they are too accessible due to enormous tuition bills and federally guaranteed student loans (which cannot be discharged in bankruptcy). This toxic combination saddles many graduates with debt they will struggle to pay off for decades. Almost as if it was intended to create a modern form of debt slave. > access depends more on connections…

"On the contrary, they are too accessible due to enormous tuition bills and federally guaranteed student loans (which cannot be discharged in bankruptcy). This toxic combination saddles many graduates with debt they will struggle to pay off for decades. Almost as if it was intended to create a modern form of debt slave."

How about making universities accessible without federally guaranteed studen loans? Debt slaving doesn't mean accessibility.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by vidarh »

wqaatwt wrote: post #121
vidarh wrote: post #73

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Having spent years working for a VC and having raised rounds from VC's in Europe multiple times over the last 26 years, that it doesn't exist is news to me.

It’s mostly pennies relative to the US, though? Obviously nobody implied it literally doesn’t exist.

It's pennies relative to the Bay Area. E.g. London alone is the 3rd large source of VC capital by region worldwide, 1/10th of the Bay Area, but 2/3rd of New York in second place.

Every US region outside of the Bay Area is "mostly pennies" relative to the Bay Area too - the Bay Area accounts for 2/3s of the total venture capital in the US.

But that's still also somewhat misleading in that a lot of the bug US funds both have a lot of foreign LP's and invest a lot outside the US, and the same pattern holds within the US, so, sure it's pennies in terms of the location of the fund managers.

When you instead look at valuation or invested capital by recipients, it's still lopsided but much less so.

You find the same in Europe - London is far more dominant as a location of fund managers than it is as a location of LP's in the funds, as well as the location of companies invested in or valuation.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by znpy »

bluegatty wrote: post #111
znpy wrote: post #99

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> Requiring government actors to use 'Euro Mastadon' or whatever - it means school, students, parents come abard and then you have 'critical mass'. Not really. Reality is that people (eg: students) will have the "euro mastodon" (or whatever) AND the other social media accounts, and will drop the "euro mastodon" when not legally enforced anymore (eg: when finishing school). > Requiring 'open doc format' If you're talk…

You're misunderstanding the concept of critical mass as it relates. People wanted to move to BlueSky, but they couldn't move away from the others because the critical mass did not shift. I governing bodies require certain use, then the critical mass for those platforms then exist. People don't need to go to the other platforms. There's zero reason for Europeans to use Facebook. Now Twitter is another story - but as w…

I think you’re misunderstanding user experience.

I was on online social networks before Facebook, one of them (kly.it) was very local (national) and very similar to facebook.

And yet, facebook was better, it took off and other european platforms like kly.it or netlog died miserably.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by doener »

jstummbillig wrote: post #19

Here is an idea for a EU product: Build something that is great, and make it so good, that everyone, including US citizens, will want to use it. Your ethics can still be great, but don't make me feel like your product won't be. If you have to market "Europe" or privacy it probably won't be.

I would have subscribed to that before Trump‘s second term. Nowadays for many Europeans great product is not a necessary feature to choose European over American.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by iamnothere »

Radle wrote: post #135
iamnothere wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> us universities aren’t financially accessible to most people On the contrary, they are too accessible due to enormous tuition bills and federally guaranteed student loans (which cannot be discharged in bankruptcy). This toxic combination saddles many graduates with debt they will struggle to pay off for decades. Almost as if it was intended to create a modern form of debt slave. > access depends more on connections…

"On the contrary, they are too accessible due to enormous tuition bills and federally guaranteed student loans (which cannot be discharged in bankruptcy). This toxic combination saddles many graduates with debt they will struggle to pay off for decades. Almost as if it was intended to create a modern form of debt slave." How about making universities accessible without federally guaranteed studen loans? Debt slaving…

“Too accessible” was just a rhetorical flourish, obviously it would be great if everyone could get a good education. If “access” comes with crippling debt, better not to have that access. 4 year college isn’t the only way to get an education.
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