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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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This is an impossible task. If a certain business wants to make human id required, let them. It should not be enforced by government. You have full control over your router and kid's devices so start there. Not anyone else's responsibility.

Parents are the main ones begging for this change. They are losing the war against Zuckerberg

They're outsourcing their babysitting lol there is no war against Zuckerburg unless you buy your brat a smartphone

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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post #57

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I'm not sure you can code your way into having a monopoly on violence.

To state the obvious: If anyone can code his way out of something it is someone who codes. If enough people want something badly enough, when existing governing structures will bow is a question of how many people. You should pretend your code isn't good enough. That way you can own the problem. You will get plenty of help from those making things worse. Empires crumble eventually.

This and your earlier comment presume that code is a way out. Much of the push-back here is that evidence is strongly suggesting that 1) it is not and 2) code tends in general to be a power-amplifier for those already in power. Put another way: your reform-minded hacker is not the only coder, and the opposition (or more accurately, the establishment) likely has far vaster resources.

The problem in your initial proposal comes in the first step: "Create a government from scratch". That is a political process at best; at worst, one predicated on violence (rebellion, insurrection, coercion).

Again, the solution is inherently political, not technical. There might be technical elements to such a political process, but those follow from rather than lead to.

This represents a significant shift in my own views over the past 20 years or so. In the 1990s I would have tended to agree with you. I no longer do.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Imagine we had a versioned database with all the laws from all countries where one could compare them side by side. We could begin to understand the mood or spirit of each effort. Law makers wouldn't need to pretend they are doing something unique. You might do the same with all infrastructure projects. They can't all be cheap. Half should more expensive than average. It should be fascinating to see where the extra m…

> Imagine we had a versioned database with all the laws from all countries where one could compare them side by side. We could begin to understand the mood or spirit of each effort. It would be good. There have been some attempts at source code style revision management for statutes (such as https://www.lafabriquedelaloi.fr/ ). Are they a useful start? What should be the next step?

I like the idea, especially the amendments you can visualize almost like a commit tree. They should add something to search like the oldest laws which often are deprecated and useless, in order to help get rid of them.

Last but not least, it is to maintain this website, last updates seem to be from 2022. But I can't manage to imagine if it's a lot of work or not.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#136

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I don't think there's some magical technical trick that lets you do an end run around politics.

Oh, there is. It was invented by China in the 10th century.

Violence is a form of politics and always has been. Whether that be violence from the state to the people or vice versa.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#137
post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

> because for once in the history of civilization, we'd be fighting for our own right and not some elite group's right. I hope I am not alone in this line of thinking They depoliticized people to this degree that they fantasize of joining the a-political resistance movement, its kind of sad. This isn't meant as an insult, you should be angry that you live in a society that left you politically oblivious. Like no dude…

No revolution in history has ever succeeded without the support of an alternate group of elites who replace the current elites if the revolution succeeds...

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#138
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I'm not sure you can code your way into having a monopoly on violence.

That was the obvious issue with all the blockchain smart contract stuff that was getting pushed previously. Any time it interacts with the physical world the blockchain goes out the window the moment on someone on the ground decides they don’t agree with it. Your cryptographically signed deed means nothing and can’t evict someone off the land.

The "violence" in that case is taking someone's money away so they might lose their home or starve.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#139
post #4

I wonder why the rating code is so complex. Pornhub.com has this code enabled, but it also uses a simpler . 4chan also uses the latter.

probably for uniqueness. This code is set by a very specific standard while adult could mean almost anything.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#140

Simple solution, Use your router to block whatever you need to, control your kids devices, the internet stays free and open. What are we talking about? There are no laws that will turn out well.

You want the internet to be engineered so you will be able to MITM traffic?
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