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Apple boss Tim Cook says prices to rise due to memory chip costs

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Re: Apple boss Tim Cook says prices to rise due to memory chip costs

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Post by teiferer »

cm2187 wrote: post #48
teiferer wrote: post #42

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> Plenty of younger people are already reverting to more primitive phones That's an effect that has always been claimed (younger generations rejecting new tech and going offline/low-tech/anti-...) but it's never been more than a minor very temporary fad. In the mid to long term, younger people are always at the forefront of tech adoption and it would be very surprising if it was different this time.

I can't tell the difference between a 5 years old smartphone model and the latest generation.

I'm with you on that, but that's not the point.

It's about what role tech plays in life. The claim that young people are increasingly detoxing and embracing offline life is just not true. More than any earlier generation, being online to stay in touch with friends and the general happenings of the world is integral to most young folks life. The same thing will happen with AI chats.

My grandma rarely uses google in her life. My mom uses it rather often. To my generation it's the portal to knowledge background for most of what I do. (Substitute any search engine for google if you must.) Similar with instagram, instant messanging etc. AI chatbots will go that way too and so will the next trend.

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Post by rjsw »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #91
IshKebab wrote: post #90

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For a start, most of the world does not use text messages. They use WhatsApp. (Apart from a few countries where WeChat, Telegram or Line are more popular.) As far as I know the US is the only country that still uses SMS/RCS.

So write a WhatsApp client for your phone and convince the EU to make them interoperate with you.

Meta had a perfectly fine WhatsApp client for KaiOS phones, they disabled it.

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Post by andrekandre »

mort96 wrote: post #122
kilroy123 wrote: post #111

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This is low-key a dream of mine. That we _start_ hyper-optimizing code to use less RAM and resources overall.

Forget hyper-optimizing, how about we just stop throwing away gigabytes for no reward? If we get there, then we can start thinking about maybe actually optimizing anything

  > we just stop throwing away gigabytes for no reward
jira/confluence and google docs browser tabs are perfect examples... what does a single page need literally gigabytes of data for?

Re: Apple boss Tim Cook says prices to rise due to memory chip costs

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Post by andrekandre »

anon373839 wrote: post #33
herodoturtle wrote: post #9

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Could you please expand on this? Aren’t prices sky rocketing precisely because of excess demand? And they’d collapse in turn if demand disappeared. My understanding of economics is entry level so please forgive my ignorance. I’m just curious what you mean.

> Aren’t prices sky rocketing precisely because of excess demand? Not exactly. The RAM crisis was sparked by OpenAI contracting with multiple vendors to take vast quantities of raw, unfinished wafers off the market. Wafers which OpenAI had no use for -- they just wanted to starve competitors. This is different from an "AI is so popular that manufacturers can't keep up with demand" story. OpenAI and Anthropic are the…

   > they just wanted to starve competitors
i don't have much to contribute except to say i'm surprised this kind of thing is legal, especially at the scale of what's happening; its extremely damaging to basically everything

Re: Apple boss Tim Cook says prices to rise due to memory chip costs

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Post by win311fwg »

adrian_b wrote: post #86
dist-epoch wrote: post #70

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This is Capitalism working exactly as intended - resources (RAM) are allocated to those which can use them most productively (AI data-centers) And the AI data-centers are using the RAM so productively, that they are willing to buy them at any price whatsoever.

No, this is not Capitalism working as intended, because there is an entity, the US government, whose purpose is to sabotage those who are willing to increase production to satisfy the extra demand and decrease the prices. So the market is not free at all, the lack of competition is maintained by force. Already for many years, the prices of various products like smartphones, SSDs and memory modules have been kept arti…

Capitalism has no intent beyond allowing private ownership of capital. Markets are a separate concept.

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Post by mathisfun123 »

bredren wrote: post #43
pjmlp wrote: post #2

Of course they were, not even Apple has infinite stock. What they have are sweet margins and deals in place that helped them to take some time until the inevitable came to be. In the other hand maybe all these prices drive folks to program like we used to, conscious of the hardware limitations, without extra slots to rescue from bad programming.

Hasn't Apple's dev environment for iOS and its non-macos relatives always been about working with as little memory as possible? It seems like Apple, of all companies has been about doing more with less memory. That would seem to have helped in the % of BOM getting wrecked by the supply chain and discipline of developers in its ecosystem.

Where do people get these goofy ideas about how Apple functions? Is there like a mythology section of the Wikipedia?
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