Measles surge in Utah sparks fears US could undo decades of progress

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Re: Measles surge in Utah sparks fears US could undo decades of progress

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Post by BowBun » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 9:57 PM UTC

throw83939494 wrote: post #20

BowBun wrote: post #5

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Everything is a tradeoff. If big pharma had their way, we would get shot every second week (bi yearly shots for flu and covid, some tropical malaria, ebola, mad cow disease...) Preventable disseases can be prevented by enforcing basic hygiene, but most people do not like that.

It's odd to me that you found the need to use a throwaway here.

You're missing my point I think. I'm talking about _eradicated_ diseases, not the flu and covid. Those are not 'preventable' diseases in the sense that there is no known cure, including the vaccines. The vaccines for _those_ are clear that they have limitations and don't work 100% of the time.

Measles has _not_ been an issue for a long time because we spent a lot of resources trying to get rid of it. CDC's site boasts over 20 years of 'elimination status'. - https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

The direct and _only_ cause for the eradication of Measles in the US was due to vaccinations. The fact that it is ressurging in conservative communities (I insist on the political connection, as it was this same group that showed clear anti-vaccination sentiments throughout COVID) indicates that they are choosing not to take a vaccine that has been known to save lives for decades. This directly contributes to preventable deaths.

This has nothing to do with washing your hands or big pharma wanting you to get shots every week. It simply has to do with science and clear historical precedent.

Re: Measles surge in Utah sparks fears US could undo decades of progress

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Post by cineticdaffodil » Tue, Jun 16, 2026, 6:57 PM UTC

thrance wrote: post #127

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> time, to accept the retardation, as a permanent fixture. Every 3 generations Why? Previous generations didn’t have to accept this. This is entirely a product of ad-fueled social media.

There have been reactionary waves before social media was even a thing. The progression of fascism and the rejection of rationality that comes with it are well understood, blaming it all on social media is a little cheap. If you really want culprits, look at the right-wing populists that have been peddling anti-education and anti-science fearmongering for decades, and the patrons, who finance their campaigns and buy…

Its just any dip in surplus supply - leading to a hopeless generation, that leads to a tribal regression. If you have no future, might as well jump the fence and take it. But no matter how in your face the realities and in how many incarnations its visible - even before industrialization, in the ritualized warfare with warchiefs- reality must be denied. The idea, that there are limitations, hardcoded and we are stuck with them for years to come, limiting what humanity can do- is to horrific to be even entertained or accomodated.

It can not even be detached from this racist idea of "only white people can be facist" - as if ISIS, imperial japan or some african warlords are somehow a entirely different level just because they lack the industrial base when society blows up.

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