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Exactly, especially the case when solar+battery are so similar in cost to gas turbine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#...
Land permitting is tough maybe why they use tents
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I don't hate the data centers near me. However I do hate the tax incentives they were given. My local school district could really use those millions of dollars per year that someone decided we don't get.
If you hate the subsidies they were given to locate next to you, how is that different from hating the data centers?
If they were not given subsidies I'd have no problem with them.
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#133When I read the headline I imagined a huge tent with steel beam structure and professional grade covers with HVAC and concrete footprint. Seems everyone else imagined a camping tent. Different backgrounds I guess.
I'm not sure why they even call them tents. Those are called fabric buildings. Fabric buildings have a lifespan of over 20 years[1] and this is limited by the PVC membranes, the actual steel structure can last a lot longer.
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#134>Inside the tents, AI chips, likely worth billions of dollars, will go about their business. I wonder how the security is. It's just a matter of time until organized crime will start paying attention to this. Perhaps a bet for polymarket?
Imagine a drone dropping incendiary payload. I dub thee ransomhardware.
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> this is such a limiter on the ground that SpaceX is pursuing AI satellites in space What is your source for this claim? It sounds like conjecture to me. Neither power nor construction is easier in space than it is on Earth. Higher power means higher heat dissipation, which means higher-cost satellites or downsized AI hardware. Construction is monumentally more expensive when you have to ship GPUs and their associat…
Elon has mentioned this in interviews and the S-2 for SpaceX calls out permitting challenges as a reason for moving to space. Elon being Elon, I don't really believe him but this is what he claims at least.
I hear they have real loose permitting regulations on Mars, and I think Elon was supposed to have a colony up and running about a decade ago, so that should all work out for him.
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There is currently 2x us electricity production in solar and batteries stuck in permit hell due to the US requiring they pay for grid upgrades before connection in a first in first out line that has grown in length and costs. We could have cheap and available renewables, but we instead destroy them in bureaucratic hell that nobody cares about.
> due to the US requiring they pay for grid upgrades before connection Is that not perfectly reasonable? Someone doing half the job and dumping the rest on everyone else seems like exactly the sort of thing a regulator exists to prevent. Reading between the lines, it sounds like the issue is that solar would be located somewhere remote, the backhaul to get that electricity where it needs to be requires significant up…
The problem is, we didn't require any of the fossil fuel companies to do this.
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And what happens when something you politically approve of needs power?
Political approval is the basis of societal consent. A whole lot of things are allowed/disallowed based on political approval. Zoning laws, noise ordinances, toxic waste disposal, food safety standards, etc. I can't run a frozen lasagna factory from my house. It's illegal. I don't have political approval. If the people do not approve of data centers, they don't get built. Simple as that. Businesses do not have an inh…
Unfortunately, we've hamstrung ourselves by saying it's illegal to build more apartments in most of the places people want to live...
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Yeah, and they're all willing participants. \s
> Yeah, and they're all willing participants. \s this does not matter from the business perspective. microsoft does not care that your company forces you to use their products. google does not care that your school forces you to use their products. TSMC does not care that you are forced to use their products when purchasing ~any electronics. etc.
I didn't suggest that they did.