Most of the people that want to rejoin the EU never realised that Brexit happened at the same time as COVID and they believe that all the bad things that happened since were due to Brexit and Brexit only. All the while ignoring that most EU countries are not that much better off. Just look at the GDP growth.
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Are you British or do you live in Britain?
I don't consider my self British even though my Croatian roots can easily pass as one and I lived there during my early adulthood but one need not live in Britain to know its issues and see past the filter of MSM we have X now so we can get a more raw look at what's actually happening and what we are not being fully shown.
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Paint me this picture of an immigrant who costs more than they contribute.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRkMGTgX0AEFhVp.png This is for Denmark. https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigr...
I am sure that Denmark, a country that amongst other things imposed forced sterilisation against the Inuit population up until the 1970s, and abused people with disabilities [0], is offering black-skinned people equal opportunities and not pigeon-holing them into unemployment and social exclusion...
[0]https://www.dw.com/en/denmark-apologizes-for-abuse-of-people...
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That’s a very simplistic take on a complex problem. Unrestricted immigration destroys democratic high trust societies. There is a balance to be found, as in all things. It isn’t simply diversity always good or always bad.
> Unrestricted immigration destroys democratic high trust societies.
I’m currently living through a democratic high trust society that’s destroying itself with immigrants being 0% to blame. I’d swap the Christian nationalists for immigrants in a heartbeat, no matter where they’re from.
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It's been quite meh economically - we'd be wealthier if we'd remained. Also immigration went up which is not what a lot of Brexiters were hoping. I think a lot of the Brexit vote was just people being fed up and voting for something different. In my experience few Brexit voters are happy with what arrived.
"we'd be wealthier if we'd remained" Briton would be even wealthier still if they had never joined the EU in the first place. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-...
Debatable. Britain used to be a bit of a mess around joining in 1973. Check out
British disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_British_disease
Sick man of Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_man_of_Europe
Things then picked up, especially in finance when in 2014: London overtakes New York to be named world's finance capital https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-overtakes-new-...
then Brexit screwed that up. The charges in your link are nothing compared to that lot really.
Headline today: Britain’s debt rising at fastest rate in the world – bar Botswana
I mean you can't really say how it would have gone but tearing up the trade deals with your main trading partners is seldom great for business.
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I don't consider my self British even though my Croatian roots can easily pass as one and I lived there during my early adulthood but one need not live in Britain to know its issues and see past the filter of MSM we have X now so we can get a more raw look at what's actually happening and what we are not being fully shown.
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It's not a matter of ideology, or of punishment. It's simply the dynamics of the system playing out. It's alienating for people inside of it because they're experiencing the effects of historical forces which operate on a scale longer than human life. OF course people would rather live in a period when things were simpler and easier, who wouldn't? The lie sold by the self-styled reformists (and doubled down upon by t…
> It's not a matter of ideology, or of punishment. It's simply the dynamics of the system playing out. It's alienating for people inside of it because they're experiencing the effects of historical forces which operate on a scale longer than human life. But British people today aren't doomed to allowing historical forces to play out. Or are you suggesting futility--that the British government lacks the state capacity…
Yes, they largely do lack the capacity, short of drastic restructuring of state institutions. What are they going to do? North Korea type isolation? Ethnic cleansing? The latter is essentially the program of the Restore Britain party, though I'm not sure if that's an actual party-in-waiting or a front group designed to make Reform or the Conservatives look more reasonable.
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It's not ok in Japan either. And its "homogeneous identity" is mostly a construction, dating back from the Meiji era. And Heian period Japan had a completely different set of values, not less nor more valid than Meiji era Japan, just different. So the identity of a nation is not something eternal nor absolute. Heck, there is even proof Japan has been a mosaic of at least three sets of human populations in prehistoric…
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We can distill our disagreement into: "present perspective vs past perspective".
Why do I think that the archaeologic/anthropologic perspective is a great point on this issue?
It's because it's precisely one of the talking points of Japanese anti-immigration or xenophobic politicians or writers to emphasize those points. They always say that Japan is different in that of America or of European countries. However archaeology taught us that this is not true.
Just as European countries have always been connected and mixed together, Japan also has undergone population mixes. Just on a larger time scale. That's for the "ethnical homegeinity".
So that is a great way to explain why this particular argument of "Japanese exceptionalism" doesn't hold.
Now for the "political" homogeinity: this one is a pure illusion. In current Japan, even if very-long-term political circumstances have taught people to stay discreet about political disagreement (quite similar to, say, in Russian mindset of avoiding talking politics), there are a lot of different mindsets, and many subcultures.
Even the cultural "homogeinity" is quite recent (Meiji era), and a product of violence. There were 4 casts etc, and the samurais cast tried (and succeeded) to become the "only legitimate one".
Now what about the world in, say, one century, when all the cultures will have time to mix together and stabilize the result all over the world? It will not be unlike the "homogeinity" that you see in today's Japan.
This is precisely what Japan's ancient history can teach us, and I think it's a great way to disarm the far-right and xenophobic rhetorics that is unrelentingly ruining our ears and brains nowadays.
(PS: Please refrain from using "gaijin" which is widely regarded as a xenophobic slur.)
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We can distill our disagreement into: "present perspective vs past perspective". Why do I think that the archaeologic/anthropologic perspective is a great point on this issue? It's because it's precisely one of the talking points of Japanese anti-immigration or xenophobic politicians or writers to emphasize those points. They always say that Japan is different in that of America or of European countries. However arch…
> gaijin which is widely regarded as a xenophobic slur.
Its used commonly and not a slur.