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Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by buescher »

strictnein wrote: post #126
lenerdenator wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda surprised at the idea that HPV is the cause; at least in the US, there was a fairly large push about 15 years ago to get more people (particularly teenage girls and young women) vaccinated against HPV. Would we not see a corresponding dip in deaths related to HPV-associated cancers by now?

Two things, I think. 1. The original guidance did not call for boys to get the vaccine. It does now. 2. We're talking about two different age groups. The article talks about those under 50. The group who got the HPV vaccine as part of their normal schedule are now just hitting their early 20s. There's also still a huge number of people in the US who have HPV. It's really, really common. "Approximately 42.5 million Am…

True, but “normal schedule” is hiding a bit of subtlety there: the hpv vaccine was recommended for women up to 26 at the time, so the oldest women who got it then would be pushing 50 now.

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by CrzyLngPwd »

talkingtab wrote: post #69

What I find interesting is the concept of dead food versus live food. This is just something I wonder about. For example a dead apple is one that was picked a year ago, sold today, kept in storage until now. Long shelf life - is the crucial change in our eating that I can see. When was the last time you had a fresh apple? Does the food industry want us to consider the health benefits of a dead apple versus a living a…

I grow garlic and onions, to name a few, which I cure by keeping them dry for a few weeks, and then store properly for months.

I am on the last of my onions from last year.

People have been doing this for a very long time.

Same for many root vegetables.

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by dang »

marciob wrote: post #114
talkingtab wrote: post #69

What I find interesting is the concept of dead food versus live food. This is just something I wonder about. For example a dead apple is one that was picked a year ago, sold today, kept in storage until now. Long shelf life - is the crucial change in our eating that I can see. When was the last time you had a fresh apple? Does the food industry want us to consider the health benefits of a dead apple versus a living a…

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Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by CalRobert »

talkingtab wrote: post #69

What I find interesting is the concept of dead food versus live food. This is just something I wonder about. For example a dead apple is one that was picked a year ago, sold today, kept in storage until now. Long shelf life - is the crucial change in our eating that I can see. When was the last time you had a fresh apple? Does the food industry want us to consider the health benefits of a dead apple versus a living a…

Saving fruits and veg has been around for a long time. Here's a low-tech technique that has existed for ages. https://archive.org/details/rootcellaringsim0000bube

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by chickensong »

economistbob wrote: post #15

No till farming is probably helping. I learned this year what that really means by seeing farms where they spray herbicide to kill the plants,then they plant new seed while the old dead is still standing around. They then use herbicide as a desiccant to kill the plant at harvest. They probably use pesticides too. The cycle then repeats. I was so disgusted as seeing new crops sprouting amongst the dead vegetation. It…

You're conflating no-till with spraying chemicals. They're not inherently tied.

No-till is a soil management technique, not crop management. It doesn't require any chemicals, and the goal is to increase soil life, not kill everything.

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by strictnein »

buescher wrote: post #131
strictnein wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two things, I think. 1. The original guidance did not call for boys to get the vaccine. It does now. 2. We're talking about two different age groups. The article talks about those under 50. The group who got the HPV vaccine as part of their normal schedule are now just hitting their early 20s. There's also still a huge number of people in the US who have HPV. It's really, really common. "Approximately 42.5 million Am…

True, but “normal schedule” is hiding a bit of subtlety there: the hpv vaccine was recommended for women up to 26 at the time, so the oldest women who got it then would be pushing 50 now.

Not sure if there's something more recent than this, but it was about 15.5% of adults aged 27-45.

It also notes this:

"Human Papillomavirus (HPV) is the leading sexually transmitted infection in the United States, and 85% of sexually active individuals will be infected at some point in their lifetime"

So, if you're not vaccinated and have had multiple sexual partners, it is rather likely you have or have had HPV.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21645515.2024.2...

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by jansan »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #81

The comments in this thread are amusing because everyone is confident they know the cause of this (complex and multifaceted) issue and of course each of their explanations is different.

Let's see what we got so far:

- Infectious Diseases

- Sexual Habits

- Obesity

- Agricultural Chemicals

- Dietary Shifts

- Food Processing & Storage

- Microplastics and Forever Chemicals

- Environmental & Indoor Pollution

- Sleep Deprivation

- Covid Vaccines

That is quite insane. When things become hard or impossible to understand, even hardcore atheists turn towards secular religion.

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by anothereng »

jansan wrote: post #139
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #81

The comments in this thread are amusing because everyone is confident they know the cause of this (complex and multifaceted) issue and of course each of their explanations is different.

Let's see what we got so far: - Infectious Diseases - Sexual Habits - Obesity - Agricultural Chemicals - Dietary Shifts - Food Processing & Storage - Microplastics and Forever Chemicals - Environmental & Indoor Pollution - Sleep Deprivation - Covid Vaccines That is quite insane. When things become hard or impossible to understand, even hardcore atheists turn towards secular religion.

all of the above are bad idk if cancer inducing but yeah
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