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The EU Open Source Strategy

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Always the same broken pattern of the EU: throwing shitload of money to the big actors of a field without really a coherent strategy or a real control of how the funds are used. Like that, a few companies are specialized in sucking public funds and delivering nothing. Or just the minimum to say that they did something. Again here, no money will be directed to the thousands of core and essential OSS projects that are…

One counter example: https://nextgraph.org/elfa-consortium-encrypted-local-first-... (eg.. https://www.ironcalc.com/ )

Is it really a counter example?

"Gathering 12 partners for at least 3 years, towards a suite composed of 16 apps!"

Read the About page and tell me what is it exactly that you will be paying for? https://nextgraph.org/introduction/

I mean we all agree of how good are the values posted on these page, but what are we paying for? Oh I see: https://nextgraph.org/roadmap/

   This is the new roadmap for 2025, established thanks to the new grant received from NLnet Foundation and the NGI Zero Commons Fund.
   The main goal is to finish the Core protocol, improve the Wallet and App, and bring about the Framework/SDK so that developers can create standalone or embedded apps based on NextGraph. Those apps can make capability-based access requests on the user's data, define smart-contracts and implement any business logic within cross-document transactions. 
No LOL, this is where your money is going... At the same time, the maintainers of the openssl, sqllite, openssh, ... or for example NGINX that now belongs to big american company...

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

#133

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

With the European Chips Act I already a total disaster, please help me with your intelligence, thoughtful discussion to explain the feasibility of miracles to me in rational terms, since the EU is obviously oblivious to the fact, that they are delusional and hubris might be a better term to explain, what "the EU" wants to achieve - and maintain. BTW, the EU also plans for a energy transformation, being a military pow…

Sovereign manufacturing supply chains? A competitive EV company? A competitive space launcher?

How about a healthy native birth rate and relatively low levels of immigration?

But to create that many strategies, you're gonna need a huge EU bureaucracy. So better create a strategy to reduce the growth of EU bureaucracy, too.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

#134

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

Even on HN we're still human, and have the same human weaknesses and failure modes.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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post #92

To people confused or wondering why it's too little, too late, too incompetent, etc.: The EU makes a lot more sense when you understand it's a neoliberal institution. Just giving people money to work on open source directly would violate state aid/market disruption rules, they aren't allowed to do that because that could negatively impact the profit of some shareholder somewhere. Member states that want to do that ev…

> The EU makes a lot more sense when you understand it's a neoliberal institution I think that's a perfect summary. As an aside, regarding what I would like EU to do in opensource - when American government writes some code, it must be put in the public domain (no copyright). EU doesn't have a similar rule.

BTW, this doesn't just apply to code -- everything the US govt releases publicly is in the public domain. This is why, for example, you can find US Foreign Service Institute language textbooks floating around the net.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

#137

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

A huge chunk of HN is 20-something kids who are way too online and parrot in earnest Polandball-style memes like "Germany doesn't have freedom of speech" or "France has too much regulation". They are fine to discuss tech with but I wouldn't take their opinions on politics or culture seriously

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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The DMA is a great initiative for more market competition.

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Interoperability is what enables consumer choice and the best product winning in the first place.

Theres no choice if all your friends are on a network that's not interoperable.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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There is the light headed assumption that any time propr software can be replaced by open source. By regulation, by being fed up with closed source, by saying so etc. It cannot, it's very hard.

In this realm, software is like a car. Would you buy an open source car? You might know any aspect of it but where would be the professional support, the strict safety regulations, the security feeling that you are under the wing of a company? I am full OSS, but I am not sure for the average Joe and Mary or better for the Oliver, Lucas, Matteo and Sofia.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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One counter example: https://nextgraph.org/elfa-consortium-encrypted-local-first-... (eg.. https://www.ironcalc.com/ )

Is it really a counter example? "Gathering 12 partners for at least 3 years, towards a suite composed of 16 apps!" Read the About page and tell me what is it exactly that you will be paying for? https://nextgraph.org/introduction/ I mean we all agree of how good are the values posted on these page, but what are we paying for? Oh I see: https://nextgraph.org/roadmap/ This is the new roadmap for 2025, established thank…

> throwing shitload of money to the big actors of a field

My reply was directed at this part. Based on my memory seeing ironcalc specifically getting funding. Unless they hide it well they are not a big actor. And the project looks interesting and worthy to me. (I see I should have omitted the nextgraph link as I'm not familiar at all with that project)

Few of the projects listed here seems to be big actors: https://nlnet.nl/project/index.html

Some projects funded by NLnet: Organic Maps, KDE Connect, KDE Plasma Wayland, Bottles (Builds on Wine IIRC), Briar, mitmproxy, Nextcloud, Wireguard

Note: NLnet is an independent organization, but it seems to get quite some support from EU. Maybe you would argue NLnet itself is a big actor?

I think funding already established, respected donor organizations is a decent strategy.

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