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Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by mwigdahl »

larrik wrote: post #101
RandallBrown wrote: post #92

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> once you give a teen a smartphone your control over what websites they visit ends. Isn't it pretty easy to set up a whitelist of apps/websites kids are allowed to use? Whether or not that's a healthy thing for your parent/child relationship is a different question.

on iOS this is basically impossible

Using the built-in Screen Time tools, yes. Qustodio works pretty well though as an add-on product. Not perfect UX, not perfect functionality, but it's the best I've found.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by watwut »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #68
BlackFly wrote: post #46

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Network effects from the other side: If one parent forbids their child then their child becomes a pariah. If no child is able to access social media then they will all interact without it. So yeah, a parent needs their peer's children to also not use social media so that their child is not left out. In general I'm against age based bans. I think there are alternatives where we would identify and just generally regula…

My 13yr old granddaughter has an iPhone that is locked down by her dad using the apple tool. It's not difficult. Her and her friends don't need social media.

If I did that to my 13yrs old, she would not know about when her friends are organizing to meet up. Simple as that. They usually agree on going to visit one of them or local center in chat group. And since they are young, it is all spontaneous "lets go now" kind of thing.

A kid that cant use a phone will sit home alone while others meet up. And I am actually glad my 13 years old has friend group she does in person things with.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

esseph wrote: post #123
delusional wrote: post #89

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Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.

> Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished. Shocker, but those are probably not the people you are going to give a shit about after you leave school.

Shocker, but a lot of psychological damage can be done before you leave school. Do children really not have value, except as far as they become adults?

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Post by twiclo »

big85 wrote: post #121
twiclo wrote: post #62

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You're citing Fight the New Drug, a Mormon anti-porn organization whose angle was to define pornography as an addiction to justify laws banning it as a health crisis. My point is, they operate openly and can be held accountable, as lawsuits demonstrate. The alternative to this sort of site is the Dark Web, where nobody is held accountable and the law is broken with impunity. Pornhub is by far the lesser of two evils…

One of my 5 sources is from Fight the New Drug and you turn to an ad hominem because I guess Mormons can't make good arguments and it's ridiculous to say that people can be addicted to porn. Sounds like you're in denial of that for yourself.

We don't have to choose between two evils. If adults want to watch porn they need to prove they're an adult. You wouldn't say we should stop age verifying people for online gambling just because there are "dark web" gambling websites.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by tokioyoyo »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #130
delusional wrote: post #89

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Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.

Parents need to weigh potential otracization against the cost of giving a smart device, which could be as high as ending their normal childhood development. Personally I think no phones until 16 is a good rule.

Easier to say. Your child will just despise you for willingly making their school life hell.

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #135
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #130

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Parents need to weigh potential otracization against the cost of giving a smart device, which could be as high as ending their normal childhood development. Personally I think no phones until 16 is a good rule.

Easier to say. Your child will just despise you for willingly making their school life hell.

I'm living it. They don't despise me, yet. My youngest just spent a rainy afternoon reading books, drawing pictures, and is now breaking out a boardgame, the horror! Hopefully they grow up well adjusted and come to appreciate the sacrifice.

Cell phone and social media addictions arn't inevitabilities they are choices.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by kube-system »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #130
delusional wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.

Parents need to weigh potential otracization against the cost of giving a smart device, which could be as high as ending their normal childhood development. Personally I think no phones until 16 is a good rule.

Parents need to weigh the potential bad effects of social media against the cost of otracization, which could be as high as ending their normal childhood development.

Social development is very critical during school-age years.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by ThinkingGuy »

watwut wrote: post #132
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #68

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My 13yr old granddaughter has an iPhone that is locked down by her dad using the apple tool. It's not difficult. Her and her friends don't need social media.

If I did that to my 13yrs old, she would not know about when her friends are organizing to meet up. Simple as that. They usually agree on going to visit one of them or local center in chat group. And since they are young, it is all spontaneous "lets go now" kind of thing. A kid that cant use a phone will sit home alone while others meet up. And I am actually glad my 13 years old has friend group she does in person th…

If only there were some way to use a phone to contact people, without going through a social media platform.
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