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French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by vintermann »

NordStreamYacht wrote: post #125
qnpnpmqppnp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That she's French-Iranian? It says so right in the title so I may have misunderstood your question.

Wondering why Iran has so many connections with France which AFAIK never really colonised the place.

Good question. I think maybe it was because a good deal of academics from the Islamic world were educated in France already due to the colonies they did have. Algerians, Tunisians, Syrians, Moroccans, Lebanese... Not an expert so could totally be wrong here, but maybe France put in more effort to incorporate local elites into their own bureaucratic elite system? I imagine there were probably more Muslims in the grande ecoles in France in the 50-60s than in the English elite schools (or US ones for that matter).

Also, I know France practiced (and probably still practices) a good deal of academic "cultural outreach", promoting their culture and especially their language abroad.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by Xmd5a »

fidotron wrote: post #107
kranke155 wrote: post #101

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I think what OC is saying above is that the adult version of reality is often unsatisfying - and that often the ability of great artists is to show us this, knowing they will be judged, and get past it, because a true record of history is more important than an indulgent, sanitised one that makes for easy reading.

> I think what OC is saying above is that the adult version of reality is often unsatisfying I'd quibble with your choice of words there, although I agree with the overall point - ultimately adult reality is the only thing that satisfies, warts and all, everything else is a waste of energy. This is even true by proxy in more fantastic works, where the point is to communicate aspects of adult reality in less direct wa…

> "…Someone recently asked me on what grounds the Admissions Jury proceeds when it lays its beneficent hand upon a certain number of people in the School. It’s simply this: they won’t make a bad impression; they won’t make a bad impression right away. They’ll do that later, once they’ve got a bit of experience under their belt, once they’ve acquired a little authority."

— J. Lacan, lesson of April 15, 1975, in RSI.

https://anonpaste.pw/v/ab148fcf-6827-4b8c-a6d1-a9239d643ae7#...

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by srean »

TomMasz wrote: post #130
srean wrote: post #56

Has there been any study that analyses the frequency of natural death of one shortly after death of his/her partner. How different is that compared to what one would expect assuming statistical independence and based image and health adjusted mortality curves.

I am currently in that situation, and I can tell you it's a battle to keep the darkness away when you suddenly find yourself alone. I'm managing, with help, but not everyone can.

Indeed. It is probably the most significant thing that ever happens to a person. My sincere condolences.

I have not dealt with such a change but have dealt with grief. Try to catch the sun rise. It is incredibly beautiful.

It will probably hurt because the instinct is to want to share the beauty to enjoy it. The good thing is that you can, with the version of your significant one you hold in your mind. I am serious, do catch the sun.

Grief hits in overpowering waves. Over time there is space between the waves. They will always be there but they become survivable.

All the best.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by Xmd5a »

colechristensen wrote: post #47
p-e-w wrote: post #38

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That’s a rather uncharitable take on what the poster you’re responding to wrote. I read Persepolis a few years ago, and it’s hard not to come away with a similar impression. The first part often does resemble a fairy tale of sorts, while the second part is a pretty dark story of teenage alienation. The contrast is jarring, and it goes well beyond “duh nobody’s perfect”. Both parts are excellent in their own right, an…

What's jarring to many people is it isn't the three act hero's journey of a noble savage. The "something" going on is that it isn't a copy of just about the only narrative in western mythos: 1. Departure - from a humble background the subject leaves amid struggle 2. Growth and Initiation - the subject discovers who they are building themselves into the hero they'll become 3. Heroic Return - the now hero makes a retur…

> western mythos

There is almost nothing more Western than this kind of self-criticism: blaming oneself for not having imagined a wider range of possibilities. By the time this reflex reaches your shore, any criticism you might address to it has already been pre-assimilated into its canon. Worse: you may not even be heard, because the whole discourse is already busy talking about the voices it has supposedly suppressed.

That is the trick. It is often less interested in articulating what was actually suppressed than in endlessly reaffirming that something was suppressed. Self-criticism becomes a passion of the self: the subject punishes itself for not being the idealized Other, and in doing so expands its own range of motion.

Criticism becomes assimilation: it uproots you from the very world it claims to redeem. And the only way out of the double bind is to set off for distant shores, carrying the trial with you.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by EB-BarringtonII »

loeg wrote: post #124
EB-BarringtonII wrote: post #83

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This isn't fringe stuff, it's well known and documented, I would have thought most people commenting on a post about Iran would know this history, perhaps I can help you out: "Conspiracy" Theory: "CIA/MI6 coup of 1953 that overthrew Iran's democratically elected government to protect Western oil interests" Evidence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... "On 19 August 1953, Prime Minister of…

"I have been shadowbanned, again, by HN. ... It just goes to show, even here on HN, if you don't stick to the 'THIS SIDE GOOD THAT SIDE BAD' narrative, your voice WILL be restricted." That's an objectively false conspiracy theory. We don't even need to touch the Iran ramblings.

Me: "here on HN, if you don't stick to the 'THIS SIDE GOOD THAT SIDE BAD' narrative, your voice WILL be restricted."

1) I open a private window and view this thread - there are five total posts by me. 2) when logged in, there are seven posts - this is what's called "shadow banned" 3) in the private tab, one of my posts is flagged, it's specifically the one where I say "this is what happens in our world when you don't uncritically and simplistically stick to one side bad or one side good"

Your response: "You're not shadow banned" HN response to my post: [flagged]

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You: "objectively false conspiracy theories"

Me: "CIA/MI6 coup of 1953 that overthrew Iran's democratically elected government to protect Western oil interests"

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

Title: "CIA/MI6 coup of 1953 that overthrew Iran's democratically elected government to protect Western oil interests"

In the opening paragraph:

"On 19 August 1953, Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh was fired by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran .... It was instigated by the United Kingdom (MI6), under the name Operation Boot and the United States (CIA), under the name TP-AJAX Project or Operation Ajax. A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after Mosaddegh nationalized the country's oil industry."

Your response: "ramblings"

You're really not very good at being faced with objective facts that interfere with your worldview, whether it's HN or Iran.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by EB-BarringtonII »

fidotron wrote: post #68
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #36

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I don't see you shadow banned. But complaining about upvotes and moderation is bad decorum and will get you downvoted out.

He's totally being deliberately buried. Which ironically enough proves the precise point.

You're being downvoted for pointing out the truth.

I am actually, objectively, being shadowbanned, for precisely the reason I pointed out. It's easy to confirm.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by combray »

TomMasz wrote: post #130
srean wrote: post #56

Has there been any study that analyses the frequency of natural death of one shortly after death of his/her partner. How different is that compared to what one would expect assuming statistical independence and based image and health adjusted mortality curves.

I am currently in that situation, and I can tell you it's a battle to keep the darkness away when you suddenly find yourself alone. I'm managing, with help, but not everyone can.

My wife suddenly died 4 years ago, we had 3 little kids at the time. You need to focus on a) being kind to yourself, whatever that means to you and b) the good things about the change. All change has good parts and bad parts, and it's easy to focus on negative things. Especially with a death since in magnitude they are probably greater than the good things. But if you focus on what you lost you will simply lose the rest of yourself.

I also think that women have a harder time with this than men, possibly because maternal death in childbirth used to be so much more common. But this is just a guess. Certainly until it happens to you its not the sorts of things that you think about too much, and once it does happen you tend to speak to people who are going through the more acute phase of it since they are still actively processing it.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by fidotron »

EB-BarringtonII wrote: post #136
fidotron wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's totally being deliberately buried. Which ironically enough proves the precise point.

You're being downvoted for pointing out the truth. I am actually, objectively, being shadowbanned, for precisely the reason I pointed out. It's easy to confirm.

There was a very clear campaign to downvote/flag your comments as fast as possible resulting in "dead" and "flagged" status. Then to gaslight that this wasn't going on was nuts.

Honestly it's incredible how many people here claim to have consumed her work and clearly missed the point of it entirely.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by vr46 »

lopsotronic wrote: post #90
everdrive wrote: post #13

I always enjoyed the first half of Persepolis. Told from Satrapi's perspective, it was a very relatable story about a young child who was swept up by the world events around her, and tried to rebel in very normal, child-like ways. It was very relatable in that abstract sense, even if most of us have not been through a violent revolution. (and even more violent subsequent war with a neighboring state) The second half…

There's a parallel in Maus , where the PoV character runs increasingly into his Holocaust survivor's father's racism, even as he explores his father's threading the needle of 20th century Central Europe[1] . He calls his pa out on it, but for his pa the schwarzers aren't people, so there's no "there" there. If Speigelman had a slightly deeper historical insight he might have drawn the connection between the byzantine…

That's a interesting observation on Spiegelmann, although I don't know how that could have been incorporated into the story, without him actually challenging his father in that way. There is a reference somewhere that the animal metaphors were inspired by the racial caricatures in American vaudeville and theatre, so there was some recognition there, aside from the complications that animal metaphor itself added to things.
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