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Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by acheron »

mikepurvis wrote: post #102
bflesch wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fine to criticize a comment that looks like AI in a thread where someone complains about AI. The sentence has exactly same meaning if they'd use a single "-" as well. I don't know which browsers have s where double "--" is turned into emdash, but on the systems I'm familiar with one needs to go certain lengths before an emdash appears. Emdash does not magically appear, and it seems some people love playing with…

On MacOS it's Shift + Option + Hyphen. On mobile it's long-press the hyphen on the keyboard. On Windows I use https://cemrajc.github.io/em-n-en/ so that ==- is turned into it system-wide. On recent Ubuntu versions, you can set up Compose Key, for example with Caps Lock: https://www.danielkossmann.com/how-to-get-em-dash-ubuntu-lin... I've long been an em-dash user and enjoyer and hope that using it stops becoming such…

On iOS you don't have to do anything, -- gets autocorrected to an em-dash. This has been in iOS for almost 10 years IIRC.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by isoprophlex »

goolz wrote: post #65
trinix912 wrote: post #51

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They say they're a software developer from a poor country looking for someone willing to leave their laptop on overnight for a 50% split of the paycheck. I got one a long time ago, they even mentioned they need help because their can't do the work from an IP of their country. Needless to say I just trashed the email and only figured out it was one of those after reading about the NK employee scandal on here.

Yep! They are rampant on Upwork. You could probably find a cell of them in a day if you wanted, just go looking for jobs with the 'crypto' tag, haha. They have offered me serious sums of money to "simply install RDP and give us access to your network". I imagine people desperate enough take them up on it too.

That... sounds lucrative, and exciting? Use an isolated network, snoop on what device is doing, learn a thing or two about what these threat actors are doing?

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by nikanj »

noitpmeder wrote: post #82
tayo42 wrote: post #61

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That makes no sense becasue contacting the company directly is usually just a communication blackhole

Not if you're a valuable candidate. An example (I have intimate experience with) is the finance/hft space in NYC -- if you're employed at a competitive player in this space in trading/quant/engineering you will almost certainly be given a phone interview w/o question at every other competitor when you reach out. If you don't trust the 'contact us' forms on their website it's dead simple to search e.g. LinkedIn to fin…

Not everyone is Linus Torvalds, and companies generally want to hire mid-level players too - they’re just somehow unable to even email them back

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by saghm »

TZubiri wrote: post #13
Zak wrote: post #3

I got one of those too, from "Alya", which seems to be an LLM-based tool the creator describes as his daughter. Beyond the usual rudeness of spam, that's a little creepy.

I got that too, and "creepy" is the same word that came to mind. For one, the choice of child, is already creepy even if you refer to a pet as a child, but a software system as a substitute for childbearing, it reminds me of the claw cult, you can call it a company, a system, a project. And calling it a daughter, man I don't even want to get into it.

> For one, the choice of child, is already creepy even if you refer to a pet as a child, but a software system as a substitute for childbearing, it reminds me of the claw cult, you can call it a company, a system, a project.

On the other hand, I feel like the obsession with childbearing (constant fear about birth rates, pressure on women to become mothers, etc.) to be a lot more creepy than someone having wholesome protective love for their pets.

I fully agree with you about the creepiness of software "children", but I can't really relate to the pet part. It's honestly weird to me when people just kind of think of their pets as like, non-human roommates or something, when there's clearly one entity that has a responsibility to care for the other one since they're dependent on them for food, water, and shelter.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by IliaLitviak »

CodeCompost wrote: post #28

Not to troll but what is a "forced immigrant"?

A more than valid question! It's the only way I could figure out how to economically convey "I am a Russian who decided to leave Russia to not be complicit and because my history of protests and support for opposition makes it scary to stay, while I completely understand the level of privilege I'm enjoying and can't call myself a refugee even remotely". Even though I always wanted to live abroad, I didn't decide when and how exactly I would emigrate, hence "forced".

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by petesergeant »

noitpmeder wrote: post #87
satvikpendem wrote: post #71

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Not exactly. Recruiters often can guarantee an interview with the hiring manager while if you submitted your resume to the company directly, you'll just get lost in the sea of resumes so not much point going around them. I also always give them a PDF resume and I'm pretty sure they don't edit them as sometimes during a video interview the employer pulls up my resume as a screen share to go through it and it's always…

Definitely could be selection bias, but every time I have seen a copy of a resume a head hunter has forwarded a potential employer it has _always_ had the recruiting firm's letterhead plastered above my content, and my email removed.

Source: I've been a programmer for 25 years, and ran a recruitment company for 8.

This happens, but it's unusual. It's normally only really something you'd bother with as a recruiter if you were doing CV marketing, that is, reaching out to people who aren't your clients saying "this is the kind of person I could get you!". They're not really meant to do it, but recruitment regulations aren't strongly enforced in most of the Anglosphere.

To fill a role with one of your clients, they've signed T&Cs that mean they can't really cut you out, and assuming they don't hate you they also don't want to lose you as a recruiter. Fucking candidates absolutely will try and occasionally cut you out of the process -- usually out of incorrectly thinking it will help them land the job because the employer won't have to pay a commission.

There are many shitty recruiters, but finding a good one will absolutely help you find good roles, and can do all sorts of useful things like make sure you're asking for enough money, get feedback that you wouldn't directly get as a candidate, harass the hiring manager about your application on your behalf, and engage in a dialogue with the hiring manager about your application that virtually no hiring manager would be willing to do directly with you.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by thewebguyd »

bflesch wrote: post #81
ghaff wrote: post #70

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I'd probably use either a semicolon or a period there. But this demonization of a perfectly reasonable English punctuation mark absolutely has to stop.

It's fine to criticize a comment that looks like AI in a thread where someone complains about AI. The sentence has exactly same meaning if they'd use a single "-" as well. I don't know which browsers have s where double "--" is turned into emdash, but on the systems I'm familiar with one needs to go certain lengths before an emdash appears. Emdash does not magically appear, and it seems some people love playing with…

It's important to remind ourselves that there is no such thing as a human who writes like AI. AI uses literary devices that humans have used for centuries, and that just because a bit of text has an em-dash, or certain tropes, doesn't mean it's LLM generated text. Yes, LLMs over-use those tropes but we can't keep calling out whats effectively just classical rhetoric as a definitive measure for detecting LLM generated text.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by osigurdson »

Automated outbound is a real problem now. I think LinkedIn actually has a pretty good model in which it costs money to send a message if the other party does not reply. Lucky for them of course! Nice to be able to collect 100% of the value of a needed incentive structure!

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by maratc »

latexr wrote: post #101
zamadatix wrote: post #59

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No space em dash = a real person who has been bulldozed by LLMs using it with spaces.

I used to use em dashes with spaces. I started using them without when I was more into reading style guides and it was—if I recall correctly—the Chicago Manual of Style which doesn’t use spaces. This was way before LLMs came onto the scene as a consumer technology.

The Chicago Manual indeed advises against spaces, but it’s written for books. AP Stylebook — that recommends spaces — is for papers. Comments are an even shorter form, so they’re closer to AP than to Chicago.

When I go to print, I use hairspace, but it’s not worth the trouble in comments.

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