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Re: You can just say it

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Post by brailsafe »

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

> Also I just find it a little insulting if someone sends me an AI response. I don’t know why, maybe because it feels not genuine.

I'm yet to experience this, but it reminds me of an interaction I'd regularly have with a younger friend I no longer spend much time with, who would take my in-real-life casual conversation prompts that attempted to engage him in inconsequential curious dialogue, and simply google the answers in front of me.

He'd sort of deliver that response in such a way that it seemed like he assumed I either didn't know the definition of some common term or fact and he was unlocking new information on my behalf, or that I thought he didn't know and revealed a possible weakness in his knowledge of trivia. In reality I was embarrassed by proxy because I had unintentionally provoked a smug, emotional response from someone who wasn't able to contend well with ambiguity, revealed how dependent they were on their phone, and who's first instinct was deeply uncharitable and lacking in curiosity. It led to some awkward situations where I had to explain that I wasn't trying to test them in a battle of intellect, but rather ask what they personally thought or how they used a term who's actual dictionary definition is rarely relevant to it's usage. I tried to find a way to adapt to this incompatibility by thinking about different ways I could communicate with this friend that would indicate my intention to basically just get them yapping more clearly, but never found a way that clicked.

I fear that dependence on various LLM chat tools will lead to more of this sort of problematic thinking and introduce increasingly challenging communication conflicts across otherwise not so distinct age groups. Banter that's intended to be playful will continue to devolve into two sides having no clue what the other means or if they're joking or exaggerating or what, linguistic flourishes, colloquialisms, or regional differences, will become more difficult to execute upon despite there being no intrinsic reason for an incompatibility to exist.

Less akin to knowledge of memes or slang, and moreso to the prevalence of new-irony among people under the age of 23ish who don't know any other type of irony and vice-versa with older -> younger. Things could get weird

Re: You can just say it

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Post by esseph »

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

> Also I just find it a little insulting if someone sends me an AI response. I don’t know why, maybe because it feels not genuine.

Ironically the people I have talked to that do this are actually trying to give you their very best at communicating, at least better than they think they can do. Which may or may not be true. I know being a bit on the spectrum that my comms don't always convey the "tone" that I mean, despite what I'm thinking when writing it.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by ivraatiems »

coldtea wrote: post #115
almostdeadguy wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society would certainly be better without people who judge others by their market value.

Yes, but would also be better if everybody got a free pony with supplies for life or met true love, etc.

Is it your contention that the vast majority of people only value others in terms of their economic value?

Re: You can just say it

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Post by ivraatiems »

gavinray wrote: post #95
bluefirebrand wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> than anything else that possesses phenomenal consciousness Can you give an example of anything else you think might possess phenomenal consciousness?

A dog

Do you consider dogs to have more, less, or the same amount of consciousness as humans?

Re: You can just say it

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Post by thih9 »

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

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Re: You can just say it

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Post by javascriptfan69 »

jatora wrote: post #121
wise0wl wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the novelty that you're chasing. Deeply consider what it is that you are enjoying, because it's not very different from doom scrolling or quickly stale bubble gum. Maybe AI produces pop music that supplants the long-standing music industry. I couldn't give a shit if it does. Pop music is nepotism and exploitation with the random artist who sneaks through. I love music, but it is the feeling, experience, and emot…

>I love music, but it is the feeling, experience, and emotion of the creator that comes through that I enjoy. This belief is not true and I will fight to the bedrock of psychology and nature against this until the ridiculous sentiment is eradicated from humanity's lexicon. There are fundamental aspects to our perception, across all senses, that lie underneath human creation. You enjoy the warmth of the sun, the cool…

>You enjoy the warmth of the sun, the cool of a breeze, the sound of a running stream, the majesty of mountains and oceans, the power of storms. These all evoke the sense and appreciation of beauty while being completely removed from a creator.

I don't think this is true. I think that if you found out you were in a simulation and that all these things were just electrical pulses being sent to your brain in a jar it would vastly change your perception of the world. And I think that's a good analogy for AI

Re: You can just say it

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Post by m463 »

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

> if someone sends me an AI response.

I wouldn't say "not genuine", I would instead say "not mindful" or "not meaningful".

maybe not quite "mindless" and "meaningless", but maybe 10%.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by gcanyon »

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

I invite you to consider the Seinfeld finale, where Elaine uses a cell phone to call a friend to ask about her ill father. The call has technical issues, and Jerry lectures Elaine about mistreating her friend that way, when she should have waited to call from home.

That was less than 30 years ago. Cell service is more reliable today than then, but it's not perfect, and not only don't we think twice about making calls on a cell phone, many/most of us don't even have land lines anymore.

Sending the prompt is the difference between showing up with flowers, and saying, "I feel strongly enough about you to bring flowers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Finale_(Seinfeld)

Re: You can just say it

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Post by majormajor »

delichon wrote: post #51
cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

To a friend or colleague, yes. But for quotidian business transactions LLMs are such a shortcut. I pointed one to three Amazon orders that I wanted to return with reasons for each, and asked it to look up the details and generate warranty service request emails for each. A quick review copy paste send, boom done. A 15 minute task done in 5. Repeat and it adds up. But you need to know when not to take the shortcut. On…

Last time I returned anything to amazon it was a two-minute-or-less task that didn't involve anything like a warranty service request email?
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