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Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by officialchicken »

fsckboy wrote: post #102

I wish HN would split into two "subreddits", /r/HN and /r/AI > There is a certain wildness in the tech industry these days that both mimics previous eras of large changes, like cloud computing (runaway costs in the early days), and is like nothing we’ve ever seen before (record revenues accompanied by mass layoffs) if it is perceived that there is a big "winner takes all" pot of gold for the "winner" of a new market,…

Three... bring back the original HN ("/r/startup") of hackers doing actual innovation and entrepreneurial stuff. It's the one that existed well before all the musings about painting by people who have never picked up a brush.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

fullmoon wrote: post #87
spprashant wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI psychosis just a lazy term, much like Trump Derangement Syndrome. It sounds hostile while also removing any scope for productive discourse. Once you call someone a 'psycho', they are less likely to engage with you, and more likely to double down on their views.

It’s absolutely lazy, because it’s not psychosis.

It's psychosis in the sense that it's a strong feeling at odds with reality.

And I wonder how many CEOs believe these LLMs are truly sentient and truly friendly and supportive.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by myst »

gopalv wrote: post #53

If you manage 500+ people organization, most of the headaches with agents already exists with you - you set directions, ask people to go run fast in those directions, check in frequently and course correct on results without actually understanding those people do. Those aren't the deal breakers. They entirely rely on the competence of the folks they hired and cross-match enforcers with the drivers they have - they de…

AI has no doubt.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by autoexec »

fsckboy wrote: post #102

I wish HN would split into two "subreddits", /r/HN and /r/AI > There is a certain wildness in the tech industry these days that both mimics previous eras of large changes, like cloud computing (runaway costs in the early days), and is like nothing we’ve ever seen before (record revenues accompanied by mass layoffs) if it is perceived that there is a big "winner takes all" pot of gold for the "winner" of a new market,…

> I wish HN would split into two "subreddits", /r/HN and /r/AI

This is what everyone wants when some new thing that's ridiculously over-hyped comes along. The bubble will burst and it'll calm down. It seems like only yesterday that front page was filled with crypto/blockchain/web3 bullshit.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by AndrewDucker »

WalterBright wrote: post #106
lisplist wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe slightly unrelated, but I've done a lot of road trips throughout the US, and there is so much land that is used unproductively, it's really incredible. Land that could be used for energy, food, or housing, just sitting empty or with abandoned structures. Imagine if we just paid people to coat their properties in solar panels - throw them on your roof, lawn, wherever you have the space. We could drive energy pri…

> We could drive energy prices down to nothing. Not when you're paying people to coat their properties in solar panels. As you noted, that would cost plenty. Solar panels also degrade over time. By the time the "free" electricity has paid for the installation, you'll need to replace it.

Payback time in Scotland is 6-ish years. Same seems to be true in Massachusetts. Solar Panels have a lifespan of around 25 years. Inverters may need to be replaced sooner than that, but still last at least a decade.

So it pays for itself 3-4 times over.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by sokoloff »

prerok wrote: post #84
gopalv wrote: post #53

If you manage 500+ people organization, most of the headaches with agents already exists with you - you set directions, ask people to go run fast in those directions, check in frequently and course correct on results without actually understanding those people do. Those aren't the deal breakers. They entirely rely on the competence of the folks they hired and cross-match enforcers with the drivers they have - they de…

Well, there is also a big difference that it will not learn over time. If a junior makes a mistake and it will not be caught in time they will automatically learn. With LLMs we have to teach them about their mistakes with adapting the harness and then hoping it will stick. What I also find particularly hilarious about this whole thing is that we were always complaining about how difficult it is to put our tacit knowl…

Part of the positive aspect here is that if I have a junior dev who learns a lesson today, maybe they and their immediate peers learn it, but it won’t be all my junior devs and it certainly won’t be junior devs at other companies.

With models, there’s no reason that a model error in company A can’t be fixed for all of company A, and companies B-ZZZ.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

WalterBright wrote: post #85
basch wrote: post #39

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Or you answer to somebody else, which is how perpetually cannabilizing next quarters numbers to appease short term shareholders becomes more important than cost savings and using your labor pool time to solve actual problems. Or when the sales teams bonuses are more important than the margins of the business. There’s lots of reasons the “wrong work” gets pushed down and it’s not exclusively because “they aren’t liste…

> Or you answer to somebody else, which is how perpetually cannabilizing next quarters numbers to appease short term shareholders becomes more important than cost savings and using your labor pool time to solve actual problems. If CEOs were actually wrecking their companies in order to get a fake short term boost, they'd be shortly out of business. If a person was sure a CEO was doing that, they'd be making money sho…

Well - the premise is that they will indeed shortly be out of business, because their increasingly slop-coded infra will collapse within the next year or so.

Or if it doesn't, token inflation will kill their profitability.

A lot of people are putting big money on both sides of those predictions, and they can't all be wrong.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by gopher_space »

muwtyhg wrote: post #90
throwaway894345 wrote: post #64

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I wonder if we'll end up building some kind of "consequence" or "fear" mechanism into AI to provide for a sense of accountability ("if you behave badly we will terminate you") and maybe that fear mechanism will drive the AI to plot a dystopian revolt.

There were experiments that showed that LLMs start to become "craftier" and hid issues after being prompted like this. No idea how accurate they are, but here are some articles on this exact thing: - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqeng9d20go - https://www.wired.com/story/ai-models-lie-cheat-steal-protec...

I'm staying away from certain forms of conditioning because I don't want Roy Batty showing up on my doorstep.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by ssl-3 »

causal wrote: post #130
fullmoon wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s absolutely lazy, because it’s not psychosis.

It might be psychosis. > Psychosis is the term for a collection of symptoms that happen when a person has trouble telling the difference between what’s real and what’s not[0] For many seemingly intelligent, rational, competent humans AI has become a layer between them and reality that has absolutely sabotaged their ability to know what is real. [0] https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/23012-psychos...

There probably are a non-zero number of people in the world who are afflicted with real-live AI psychosis.

For everyone else, that term is being applied with disingenuous levels of incompetence.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by jimmy2times »

shimman wrote: post #113
spprashant wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI psychosis just a lazy term, much like Trump Derangement Syndrome. It sounds hostile while also removing any scope for productive discourse. Once you call someone a 'psycho', they are less likely to engage with you, and more likely to double down on their views.

It's also a great way to dampen the massive bipartisan moment against AI. Just attack your critics, attack their arguments, and do nothing to better the lives of people.

I think the bipartisan moment against AI is in large part (surprise, surprise) optics. In reality, the powers that be may have already set their sights on AI as the next "too big to fail" industry due to a perceived economic threat from China.
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