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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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#131

This is such an insanely unpopular move even among some of trump’s supporters. I really think this will be this version of the republican party’s suicide note.

It's an insanely stupid move, but from what I'm seeing on Twitter, it's somehow not that unpopular among the less bright.

> it's somehow not that unpopular among the less bright.

politics aside, do you realistically believe that you can view twitter and actually mentally carve out the opinion of a group of people in real life?

that's exactly the issue with twitter.

for one : you're polling twitter users (a TINY subsect of humanity), two : you're extracting opinion from those that seek to broadcast it (an outlier) , and three: twitter never self-exposes the world to a user, it selectively curates and amplifies, and fourth : it's one of the most gamed communications arenas in existence.

you're viewing the world through an itty-bitty twitter-colored monocle and making sweeping accusations across large cohorts, it's not an accurate portrayal of actual human opinion.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#132

Absurd, currently trying to figure out how to sponsor my wife and now this. The wording seems to imply that even those here on valid non-immigrant visas (F1) would need to apply via their home country. It doesn’t help that I130+I485 (AOS) could take over a year to process? If you have filed I485 and they fail to process it before your current visa expires (D/S ends like F1 OPT). Then what? You just have to leave, aba…

> simple fast lane for the 100% legal, non-complicated case Immigration policy in the current administration (which seems to be driven by Stephen Miller) is not based around legalaities, it's based around cutting immigration as much as possible because that's what satisfies Trump's voter base. These people do not care if you 'did it the right way'. They have an atavistic hatred of foreigners.

> Immigration policy in the current administration (which seems to be driven by Stephen Miller) is not based around legalaities, it's based around cutting immigration as much as possible

White immigrants are fine with this administration.

"All but 3 of 6,069 refugees taken in by Trump are White South Africans"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/22/trump-south-a...

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#133
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One issue (apparently a feature) that may arise is that, if application is rejected in consular proceeding, the applicant is locked out from usa. AFAIK, if someone applies for an immigration visa in usa, they will not be able to obtain non-immigration visas in the future. A refused green card application might be the end of being ever in usa. The person may have to truely exit USA since there may be no way back (clos…

The end result is the same though. If your application is rejected in the US, you could stay while you appeal, but if you're ultimately rejected then you have no choice but to re-apply through consular processing anyway once your status runs out. Good if you have a job in the US, but you're kicking the can down the road. > A refused green card application might be the end of being ever in usa. Do you have evidence fo…

If you apply for immigration status and are rejected, sure you can apply for immigration again if you gain much better qualifications. I haven’t seen many successful examples though.

People are deemed to have immigration intent for small things like they don’t have enough ties to their country of residence. An application for immigration is definite proof you had intent to immigrate. You can wait like ten years, but time doesn’t work in your favor (immigration gets harder every year, people get older and handcuffed elsewhere…).

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#134
This does not seem to target NIWs but rather those who use change of status as a way of extending their stay.

Change of status was never meant for those without status in the first place or for tourists.

I would love be to hear an immigration lawyer's perspective on this.

Here's the memo directly:

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/PM-...

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#138
post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happens as well in Germany and it's pure insanity. The US at least does not depend on migration as much as Germany, I believe. Even the current right wing party CDU doesn't seem to want to make migration harder, but when the extremist party AfD gets voted into office, an already highly damaged balance will break. Sad how people become so detected from reality that they make their society irrelevant and destroying a l…

> The US at least does not depend on migration as much as Germany, I believe. To me it feels like the US pretends they don’t need immigrants when: 1. The overwhelming majority of current US residents were immigrants themselves at some point in the last 150 years (only natives were there, everyone else immigrated from somewhere) 2. The US wouldn’t function without illegal immigrants 3. Every country is short of worker…

1. Appealing to the attitudes of 150+ years ago leads to all sorts of absurdities. We live in 2026.

2. The US not functioning without illegal immigrants is a bad thing. More often than not, employers like illegal immigrants because they can abuse them in some way or another. If you actually interact with illegal immigrants or the people that employ them, this is clear. “We need modern indentured servitude” is not the country I want to live in. I would rather these industries just be subsidized by the government to whatever extent it takes for US citizens to take the jobs with all of the protections we expect workers to have.

3. Not every country is short of workers. Employers may be short of workers that they can lord over, but refer back to point 2. Pointing to Canada’s policy as an example of a “smart move” is a strange play.

The current administration is certainly not working on the above premises, but I’m floored when I hear supposedly progressive people going on about who is going to work the psychologically scarring meatpacking plants if we don’t take on an undefined number of people who are only here to get shit on for a good paycheck. I have compassion for illegal immigrants, which is exactly why I don’t want them in the US.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#139

Absurd, currently trying to figure out how to sponsor my wife and now this. The wording seems to imply that even those here on valid non-immigrant visas (F1) would need to apply via their home country. It doesn’t help that I130+I485 (AOS) could take over a year to process? If you have filed I485 and they fail to process it before your current visa expires (D/S ends like F1 OPT). Then what? You just have to leave, aba…

> I wish they would just have a simple fast lane for the 100% legal, non-complicated case.

The explicit purpose of this is to reduce legal immigration, and reduce the number of people becoming citizens.

There is no world in which the same racist, fascist administration doing this does anything remotely like what you describe.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#140

Is this intended to ensure that students and H1-Bs will not have a path to residency unless they disrupt their lives here?

It is intended to disrupt immigration full stop and especially brown immigration.

I notice India being omitted from the list of affected countries though. That’s the major contributor to “brown immigration”
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