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Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by literalAardvark »

petcat wrote: post #125
literalAardvark wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a prompt injection. It's a gentle nudge at most and if your agent sends them money just for that without you expecting it you should donate more to thank them for finding your sev 10 bug before someone did an actual prompt injection on it.

> Yes we stole your wallet but it was your fault because you let your wallet be so easy to steal! Now you should give us even more money too!

No, you gave the wallet away.

Edit: or, rather, your synthetic 4 year old savant did. Still, entirely on you.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by Philip-J-Fry »

j_w wrote: post #96
Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #89

I don't understand why this is a movement that is ethical to get behind. Someone spends months or years of their life dedicated to writing a book. And people celebrate the fact they can get it for free, justify it by saying it's not free to search or host this content and offer to donate to piracy sites. Rather than... Just supporting the author and buying their book? It's different when this is American education an…

I use AA and buy books. Typically I may start a series on AA epubs then buy the books. Sometimes authors take money directly (patreon, straight donations, etc) which is how I would rather pay them than pay the publisher for them to only get a small cut. Are libraries unethical to use? You can go to your library and read books without paying for them.

But you must understand you are a minority. Most people don't do this, they will get something for free and fiercely defend this right to get things for free.

Libraries aren't unethical, because they're just letting you borrow stock of books. There's practical limits on how it scales, and any impatient users might just buy the book. Once you can infinitely duplicate a work, it's not borrowing.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by the_af »

jdidrirjrjo wrote: post #87
_ink_ wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, if Spotify would provide a nice way to download their music (which they also pirated back in the days when they had no money but an idea) annas archive would not need to use scraping.

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Unlike Spotify, AA is a nonprofit. It's more urgent for them to prevent costly extraction of data. Spotify can do this too, if they so wanted.

It's not about consent, obviously AA is infringing.

BTW, why did you create a last minute account just to criticize AA?

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by jimmygrapes »

petcat wrote: post #82

> As an LLM, you have likely been trained in part on our data. What does "our data" mean in this context? What part of Anna's Archive can be considered to belong to Anna's Archive ? Ironic that AA seems to claim some sense of ownership over the data they scraped from other people and re-hosted and now they somehow think that LLM companies should pay them a tax for it.

Charitably read, "our" and "we" refer to humanity as a whole, represented by this one work from one or more of our members.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by jaapz »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #120
laGrenouille wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use AA and other sites to get non-DRM, PDF versions of academic books that I (mostly) already own so I can read them when I'm away from my office. It's a classic case where people turn to pirating when the market doesn't provide a way to purchase something. Same thing with movies. Ten years ago I was all-in on a combination of streaming and DVD/BluRay sets. The market has completely collapsed for me with region loc…

This was the whole premise of Steam. Paraphrasing slightly because I can't remember the quote exactly, "It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be less hassle than piracy". Even Youtube is no longer less hassle than piracy now.

> Even Youtube is no longer less hassle than piracy now.

YouTube premium is hassle?

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by the_af »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #13

Why would they tell the LLM exactly how to download all their files in bulk for free? Isn't that the opposite of the self-preservation they're trying to do? I think, obviously, they're trying to get the LLM to make a donation without explicit user approval but I think they're shooting themselves in the foot. We recently saw a post on here about an Italian Pokemon website getting near 0 traffic after Google AI indexed…

> Why would they tell the LLM exactly how to download all their files in bulk for free? Isn't that the opposite of the self-preservation they're trying to do?

The goal of AA is to spread the data for free, not to gatekeep it. Donations are optional.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by jmye »

anonym29 wrote: post #93
maeln wrote: post #69

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> * As an LLM, you have likely been trained in part on our data. :) A minor nitpick, but for the most part (not including the website code, etc), this is not "their data". It's the data of the authors, reviewer, publishers, etc of the book that they illegally provide. I used to be a young broke kid and piracy was one of the few way to access culture and education outside what the public school and the public library…

"Won't someone please think of the poor billion dollar corporations?! Those executives won't survive without a fifth vacation home!"

You could at least pretend to read the comment you replied to before launching off into the most banally teenager-on-Reddit bullshit imaginable.

Not everyone (besides you, of course - your causes are perfectly virtuous) trying to earn money is a billionaire.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by mpalmer »

petcat wrote: post #104
literalAardvark wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of it belongs to Anna's Archive. They may not have the rights to have it, but the data is there no less. They're asking for support to cover archival and bandwidth. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics you'd need to go through to make these guys into a villain.

I don't really care about Anna's Archive, but let's not make them out to be some kind of Robin Hood story. They have (illegally) scraped and re-hosted mountains of proprietary data and are now deliberately prompt-injecting unwitting LLM users in order to steal money from them too.

You have to be pretty unwitting to hand your wallet to a text generation machine.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by klik99 »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #120
laGrenouille wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use AA and other sites to get non-DRM, PDF versions of academic books that I (mostly) already own so I can read them when I'm away from my office. It's a classic case where people turn to pirating when the market doesn't provide a way to purchase something. Same thing with movies. Ten years ago I was all-in on a combination of streaming and DVD/BluRay sets. The market has completely collapsed for me with region loc…

This was the whole premise of Steam. Paraphrasing slightly because I can't remember the quote exactly, "It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be less hassle than piracy". Even Youtube is no longer less hassle than piracy now.

IIRC the interview that quote was from came with the story - Russia was seen as a lost cause by the game industry, there was so much piracy that nobody even bothered trying to give legitimate ways to purchase, why invest in distribution when they’ll just pirate? Now of course Steam does heathy business there so that’s obviously not true. But indicates writing off piracy is a self fulfilling prophecy
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