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Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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samlinnfer wrote: post #115
GeoAtreides wrote: post #108

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let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience." Am I getting this wrong?

Do you have an issue with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends in their minds? What if they drew them? What if they photoshopped them? What if they had an AI make them? I suppose if I used such an uncharitable reading of your comment I would ask you're some kind of puritan supporter of thoughtcrime. Am I getting this wrong? Being curious about other people's bodies is part of the human experien…

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Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by Henchman21 »

pibaker wrote: post #101
Curosinono wrote: post #38

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I do agree that shit behavour should be met with direct reaction but lets be honest here the time and effort of doing this is 5 minutes. A proper society should educate people about things they can't get rid of anymore. And no you can't just put teenager, which have not fully formed brains yet, into prison for fake nudity

There are a lot more things we punish people for that take less than 5 minutes.

Never a shortage of pedants on HN

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by LocalH »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #130
LocalH wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misparsed. Should it be a crime for a person to imagine another person nude within their mind?

using AI to deepfake minors is beyond one's imagination

That is not what the person you were responding to said. Let me quote the full context (emphasis mine):

> It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by GeoAtreides »

LocalH wrote: post #133
GeoAtreides wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

using AI to deepfake minors is beyond one's imagination

That is not what the person you were responding to said. Let me quote the full context (emphasis mine): > It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination . If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy . Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience.

I disagree, I think _you_ are misreading OP's comment and I genuinely think my interpretation is correct.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by noosphr »

Jordan-117 wrote: post #118
noosphr wrote: post #109

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And to a good Stalinist it was the dignity of the USSR. Something millions died to protect in the great patriotic war. Again, symbolic violence is worse than real violence to a lot of people.

The point is that these images are so realistic that it's difficult to tell they're fake. Your weird Soviet analogy is not remotely the same thing -- making a teenage girl think that everyone in her life has seen her expose herself sexually and done things she hadn't really done is personally humiliating and devastating in a way scrawling some political heresy about a public figure is obviously not. Kids have literal…

That is a problem with US society. One that deep fakes can solve by allowing plaslsible deniability for any image or video.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by HDThoreaun »

mrvmochi wrote: post #62

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The issue here isnt even the deepfakes. If the kid made them and never showed them to anyone else no one would care. The issue is that he let the whole school know about it, knowing that would create an environment they dont feel safe in.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by autoexec »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #43
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #36

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it functioned just fine for the past 50 years. digital manipulation of media had always been possible. americans simply didn't have a society-wide psychosis during the early days of personal computing and Internet.

It took some skill and time before to make anything passable as realistic. Enough skill and time to defeat a teenagers motivation. That's the difference. "make the person in this photo naked. No mistakes" Prompts lowered the bar. Even if you do have to install a local text to image model.

Does it even matter how realistic someone's fake porn is? Before computers people would cut out peoples faces and paste them onto playboy centerfolds. That sure wasn't perfect, but it didn't stop them from enjoying them enough to go through the trouble.

Since perfect or not people aren't going to stop doing what they do, the fact that the fakes have gotten better is only beneficial since it allows for plausible deniability. At this point nobody should trust some random video the same way nobody has been able to trust a random JPG since photoshop became a thing.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by autoexec »

M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

> "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way to prevent this behavior - not more censorship

Saying "don't make a fake picture of anybody naked or you'll go to jail and your life will be ruined forever" sure seems like a form of censorship

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by conductr »

gorgoiler wrote: post #34

Even though they fluffed the messaging I think the school was right, in the absence of any actual deepfakes and even after the police department had scraped all the boys phones, to be wary of accusing anyone in particular of doing anything AI related. Kids are weird and one boy saying he “dropped $250” on making deepfakes of “that hoe” sounds as much like a brag about money than it could be about making fake videos.…

> There’s clearly enough of a text message trail between these boys to give them a significant reprimand for misogyny

I skimmed but the worst I saw was one of them referencing her as “that hoe”. Not nice but also punishing kid’s private conversations outside of school this closely seems like an overreach. Worse, is the message it teaches the younger generation that speech should be censored and isn’t as free as they think. I feel that’s a worse outcome on a longer timeline.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by conductr »

M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

I don’t think you understand the psychology of a teenage boys. If you do all this, all you accomplish is informing the entire nation of kids that making deepfake nudes of their classmates is possible. From there, it will proliferate much more rapidly than its current trajectory.

There’s really no way to close this Pandora’s box. So, I’d fight fire with fire instead of crying about it if I was a teen girl in this situation. Make deepfakes of the boys have micropenises and other potentially embarrassing things. And then just learn to laugh about it. If everyone is a target and victim the kids will find it boring fast enough and this will fizzle out. It’s not like these kids aren’t exposed to porn and all that early on. They all are, have been for years now, the victim here feel awful because they’re the only ones being targeted.

I know this sounds bat shit crazy but normalization of it is really all we can do now.

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