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The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by tencentshill »

heavyset_go wrote: post #75
soundworlds wrote: post #59

1. So AI companies royally screwed over artists and other culture workers. 2. Culture workers are a big part of who sets the narrative for the general population - especially young people. 3. Less than 1/5 of Gen Z are optimistic about AI and the number is falling: ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/708224/gen-adoption-steady-skep... ) The current wave of AI companies did this to themselves. Had things moved more slowly…

> The current wave of AI companies did this to themselves. Had things moved more slowly and actively worked with all the affected industries, I suspect people would be far less interested in seeing the technology fail. The goal was to raise as much money as possible as fast as possible before the curtain is pulled back to reveal the Wizard's empire of lies.

A lot of designers and artists were not hired for their particular style or skills. AI allows "good enough" results for less. Same with coding. It no longer takes skill to meet minimum requirements, just some money. Code monkeys and junior graphic designers will have to upskill somehow, or find other work. Maybe it will balance out eventually, with the AI costing about the same as hiring a junior designer.

Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by ChiperSoft »

heavyset_go wrote: post #74
hydroplane wrote: post #6

I often wonder how different AI sentiment would be today if all of the layoffs that were opportunistically blamed on AI by the company CEOs were instead blamed on the real reason (likely pandemic related over hiring). The root of the backlash started as a result of all those “AI” layoffs and the hyperscaler CEOs gloating how everybody was going to lose their job due to AI. So in the end, they reap what they sow. A gr…

No one wants to be the one to ring the "we're in a recession" bell first

I think once it's more than a year it's officially a depression

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Post by shimman »

jaredcwhite wrote: post #28
lowbloodsugar wrote: post #8

I'll just keep repeating this: There are three options: 1. AI owned by everyone 2. No AI 3. AI owned by billionaires If you can make the masses fight for 2 instead of 1, then you guarantee that you don't get 1. If instead, the masses fight for 1, they've got a chance of getting it. You present AI as a false dichotomy: no AI or AI for billionaires. But 2 is a fantasy. There will be AI. Any of us arguing for (1) get sh…

Yeah I'll pick two, thanks.

It's hilarious how the elites don't understand the politics of rejection.

Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by wvenable »

euroderf wrote: post #106
wvenable wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does #1 actually mean in practical terms? Collective ownership of a giant data center and all the CPUs, GPUs, and DRAM needed to do AI?

This is where the researchers and the essayists should be working. What does it look like when there's a significant tax at every value-add (hey let's call it a value-added tax!) that goes into a big beautiful kitty that funds UBI and general nutrition & housing ?

What?

Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by x3qt »

otterley wrote: post #124
heavyset_go wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop the Boomerification of Gen X's voting record and the comparison will go away.

Unfortunately every generation has a plurality that votes “the wrong way.” This includes Millennials: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/age-generati... It seems to start happening when people hit 30 years of age. Maybe it’s because that’s when they start having children; I’m not sure.

This is when they stop being simply consumers/receivers and become producers/owners.

Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by archagon »

hcurtiss wrote: post #130
customguy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stop listening to the Luddites and eco-nihilists. Stop telling me to stop beating my wife, I'm not even married. You don't know what Luddites are, and I don't know what eco-nihilists are. > we continue to outlaw development Again, I have no idea what this is even referring to. I'm sure you mean something with that, but expressed in such a hyperbolic, all-or-nothing way I just don't know what to do with it, sorry.

You are doing the left-wing, pretending not to understand meme. Those are the principal objections in the linked article. Data centers are not an environmental catastrophe. And AI isn’t coming to take all of our jobs. There will be change, for certain, but if we don’t embrace it, the West is doomed. That is not hyperbole. History bears this out repeatedly.

“And have you been to modern Chinese cities? Prosperity is awesome.”

Sounds like you should embrace a Chinese future just like you’ve embraced AI.

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Post by gofreddygo »

Sparkyte wrote: post #115
gofreddygo wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It helps to think of investors in tiers. The lower tiers mimic higher ups. Each tier has two orders of magnitude deeper pockets than the lower tier. At the very top are the big investment banks and fund houses, berkshire. Second are smaller institutions and third retail/individual. The top two layers demand a steady return, never losing money on average in any 36 month window. Otherwise it triggers a selloff top down…

Also to add investors know stock can't keep winning. They will diversify before too long and doing more splits does not ensure more value as it depreciates. Nvidia is worth so much if it fails it takes investments with it. The risk is too high.

yes I don't like the term investor anymore, because there aren't anymore. in my mind I just switch the word to a compulsive gambler or at best a speculator. and everything else is just bots.

Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by customguy »

hcurtiss wrote: post #130
customguy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stop listening to the Luddites and eco-nihilists. Stop telling me to stop beating my wife, I'm not even married. You don't know what Luddites are, and I don't know what eco-nihilists are. > we continue to outlaw development Again, I have no idea what this is even referring to. I'm sure you mean something with that, but expressed in such a hyperbolic, all-or-nothing way I just don't know what to do with it, sorry.

You are doing the left-wing, pretending not to understand meme. Those are the principal objections in the linked article. Data centers are not an environmental catastrophe. And AI isn’t coming to take all of our jobs. There will be change, for certain, but if we don’t embrace it, the West is doomed. That is not hyperbole. History bears this out repeatedly.

If anyone who talks back or even just asks for clarification is "the left wing" for you, that kinda says it all.

The issues with "AI" is basically that profits once again get centralize while costs are outsourced. "The West" basically means buy our slop, die in our wars, die in the cold when you're elderly, but rest assured you're part of "The West" and "The West" is totally showing "the Chinese" what's what. While they tell their people the same thing. It's the same everywhere, all the time. And the argument is never a track record of success, but forms of "We cannot afford evidence in form of a mushroom cloud". Well, I think you're wrong and falling for liars, I say bring it.

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Post by wcxcv »

gofreddygo wrote: post #138
Sparkyte wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also to add investors know stock can't keep winning. They will diversify before too long and doing more splits does not ensure more value as it depreciates. Nvidia is worth so much if it fails it takes investments with it. The risk is too high.

yes I don't like the term investor anymore, because there aren't anymore. in my mind I just switch the word to a compulsive gambler or at best a speculator. and everything else is just bots.

Ahem, the word trader fits it lol
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