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Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by SquirrelOnFire »

WalterBright wrote: post #123
gwbas1c wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is not replacing your favorite station My favorite radio station was replaced years ago by an automated playlist. They just kept playing the same 5-6 songs that were popular on the station in the 1990s. It was fun for about 2 hours before I realized the station was devoid of all the personality that made it worth listening to when I was younger.

The playlists of nearly all radio stations are far too short for me. I finally just quit listening to the radio. Comcast has a bunch of channels with various music categories. They all repeat after about 2 days. So much for that. With all the zillions of songs available, I don't get why they do that.

You've got to find the rare radio stations with public support and human djs. kexp.org is a great one based out of Seattle with a wild variety of shows and decades of history. Are all the shows to my taste? No. Have I ever heard something being played that was total crap? Honestly, maybe? Because there's genres I don't know enough to gaugue quality, but I haven't twigged to it.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by SquirrelOnFire »

samtp wrote: post #128
lacewing wrote: post #109

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I think you're talking about some Platonic ideal that just doesn't exist anymore. Streaming services such as Spotify are increasingly filled with AI-generated songs and the average consumer doesn't seem to mind because we're not listening intently in the first place: it's just a background track we're not really paying attention to. I'm pretty sure that radio execs are looking at that and are taking notes. For talk r…

there's a whole world of wonderful radio that has been thriving for decades, completely different than Spotify or talk radio. It's unfortunate that you haven't seemed to experience any of it, but I've personally loved over the years stations like KEXP, WPFW, Dublab, WUSC

KEXP is a local (and beloved) station for me. WIll have to give some of these others a listen if they're doing similar things.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by foota »

angiolillo wrote: post #41

Grok and Roll appears to be stuck and speaks the following on repeat ad infinitum: "Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by Miles Davis to keep the jazz flowing. Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by..." Each time with a slightly different voice and inflection. I find it amusing that there appear to be about ten of us at the moment listening to an AI glitch out and that the average listening session is more t…

Smells to me like they didn't implement compaction/went past their context window and the system prompt dropped off the end.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

#134

Post by lacewing »

samtp wrote: post #128
lacewing wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're talking about some Platonic ideal that just doesn't exist anymore. Streaming services such as Spotify are increasingly filled with AI-generated songs and the average consumer doesn't seem to mind because we're not listening intently in the first place: it's just a background track we're not really paying attention to. I'm pretty sure that radio execs are looking at that and are taking notes. For talk r…

there's a whole world of wonderful radio that has been thriving for decades, completely different than Spotify or talk radio. It's unfortunate that you haven't seemed to experience any of it, but I've personally loved over the years stations like KEXP, WPFW, Dublab, WUSC

Your original post said that we shouldn't be worried because people appreciate radio and music for reasons that presumably can't be replicated by AI. I'm asserting that's not true: it's not how most people listen to radio or music, and AI content is already quite prominent.

I'm perfectly familiar with KEXP and other stations like that, but this is not how most people experience the medium. It's like insisting that Taylor Swift will never catch on because her music is not nearly as rich and complex as Wagner. Sure, but that's completely irrelevant.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by samtp »

therealpygon wrote: post #129
gwbas1c wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is not replacing your favorite station My favorite radio station was replaced years ago by an automated playlist. They just kept playing the same 5-6 songs that were popular on the station in the 1990s. It was fun for about 2 hours before I realized the station was devoid of all the personality that made it worth listening to when I was younger.

It’s like people don’t realize that the “hits” played on radio are entirely manufactured by the music industry. They literally provide lists of songs for the radio station to play that month in order to generate interest so that then people either go play or buy or whatever those songs making them more likely to reach #1 that month. It’s entirely manufactured and people try to point to it as being “real” radio. It’s…

You should find some better radio stations. There are tons of independent stations the play excellent non top 40 music and have been for years.

This is like saying the the movies that people like are manipulated but only focusing on what is played at big box theaters.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by samtp »

analogpixel wrote: post #72
IdiotSavage wrote: post #17

Guys, this is not replacing your favorite station, you don't have to listen to it. It's an experiment. If you scroll down a bit, there are various audio snippets of interesting dialogue the models produced. I think it's interesting to see in which ways the models fail and that they actually produce some good stuff once in a while.

How is this any worse than I Heart Radio? You can have your radio experience pushed to you by a major corporation, or an LLM.

If iHeartRadio is your testible standard for radio stations than we have lost as a society.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by mrlambchop »

angiolillo wrote: post #41

Grok and Roll appears to be stuck and speaks the following on repeat ad infinitum: "Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by Miles Davis to keep the jazz flowing. Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by..." Each time with a slightly different voice and inflection. I find it amusing that there appear to be about ten of us at the moment listening to an AI glitch out and that the average listening session is more t…

I did listen to this for over 2 mins as I task switched over and eventually got cross enough to go back and terminate - I then went to YouTube to play said song and wondered if this was in fact an advertising strategy of the AI and I was the rube...

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by adampunk »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #115
analogpixel wrote: post #90

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A person at IHeartRadio is doing the work the corporation tells them to do. do you think they want to play Hotel California on loop all day long?

It is not the same as an LLM and I don’t understand why you’re trying to equate it.

Because the argument "at least it's a human over at iHeartRadio" is not convincing in the slightest?

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by tempaccount5050 »

samtp wrote: post #135
therealpygon wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s like people don’t realize that the “hits” played on radio are entirely manufactured by the music industry. They literally provide lists of songs for the radio station to play that month in order to generate interest so that then people either go play or buy or whatever those songs making them more likely to reach #1 that month. It’s entirely manufactured and people try to point to it as being “real” radio. It’s…

You should find some better radio stations. There are tons of independent stations the play excellent non top 40 music and have been for years. This is like saying the the movies that people like are manipulated but only focusing on what is played at big box theaters.

You're missing the point. Radio was consolidated into Clear Channel and took away what made radio radio. Local radio. Like what made Chicago jazz different from New York jazz etc. Not internet stations that may as well be podcasts. Regional culture.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Post by samtp »

lacewing wrote: post #134
samtp wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a whole world of wonderful radio that has been thriving for decades, completely different than Spotify or talk radio. It's unfortunate that you haven't seemed to experience any of it, but I've personally loved over the years stations like KEXP, WPFW, Dublab, WUSC

Your original post said that we shouldn't be worried because people appreciate radio and music for reasons that presumably can't be replicated by AI. I'm asserting that's not true: it's not how most people listen to radio or music, and AI content is already quite prominent. I'm perfectly familiar with KEXP and other stations like that, but this is not how most people experience the medium. It's like insisting that Ta…

Just because a lot of people like big blockbuster movies doesn't mean that's the standard that I hold good film to.

Similar to radio. If you're going to use huge amounts of processing power to create something new, it should at least be interesting and held to a standard of good for its category, not the standard of corporate slop.

So cool, you can now replace corporate slop with AI slop. For some people who like to turn into radio with no soul or personality I guess it's a win. But for people like myself who actually like to hear interesting and novel things on the radio, this is just a big exercise is creating more filler and noise in an already grayed out world.

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