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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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As a business transaction: Twitters acquisition is among the worst deals in human history. As means to buy an election an Presidency: highly efficient use of capital with an undeniable short and long-term ROI.

Too early to write closing arguments on this. A vengeful future administration might make us realize that the entire transaction was a huge mistake.

True. There is a “so far” on that.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Because no one has commented yet on the legal significance: Musk lost today because the jury found that he waited too long to bring his claims. The jury answers only yes/no questions, so we do not know their exact thoughts, but it is likely they determined that the 2019 and 2021 Microsoft deals were too similar to the 2023 Microsoft deal that was the centerpiece of Musk’s lawsuit. Musk could have brought the same law…

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Because there has to be some point. It's unjust to allow someone to sue 30 years later, as everyone would have a sword of Damocles hanging over their head waiting for the right moment to strike. And in general, if you didn't realize you were robbed for 3 years, perhaps it's the case that you weren't actually robbed.

So if I exchange your Rolex with a fake one and then you try to sell after 3 years and you notice it’s fake, it’s fine for you?

The statute of limitations takes into account when the plaintiff discovered or with reasonable diligence should have discovered their injury.

In this case, the jury found that Musk knew or should have known of his alleged injury prior to 2021.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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I know why statutes of limitation exist. I was wondering why it applied here. Apparently it wasn't completely straightforward, as nine jurors were needed to reach a decision on that point, instead of a single judge or even clerk.

Whether the claim accrued before the statute of limitations expired is a question of fact, and is therefore reserved for the fact-finder which in this case was the jury.

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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He lost in the sense that he filed a lawsuit and that lawsuit was dismissed. It seems like a reasonable way to use the word, no?

Hmm, I wonder why the title of the article doesn’t say the lawsuit was dismissed or why.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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post #93

Because no one has commented yet on the legal significance: Musk lost today because the jury found that he waited too long to bring his claims. The jury answers only yes/no questions, so we do not know their exact thoughts, but it is likely they determined that the 2019 and 2021 Microsoft deals were too similar to the 2023 Microsoft deal that was the centerpiece of Musk’s lawsuit. Musk could have brought the same law…

>Musk could have brought the same lawsuit in 2019 or 2021, meaning his claims were untimely for the 3 year statute of limitations. Why is a hypothetical ground for this decision? "You didn't complain immediately the first time you got robbed, therefore all the robbing since then is covered by a statute of limitation".

This is not a robbery, though. Not in the "break in and steal stuff from your house multiple times" situation. Legally, each of those are separate events, and one doesn't really affect the other unless it's all the same person, and the repetition is used to get a stronger case, etc.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Aside from the disagreements between these parties, what about the precedent of running a non-profit, and then transferring all IP to a for profit when it’s convenient to do so?

I wonder if the government or taxpayers have a case to bring regarding that.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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post #23

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Muskys problem is does things in the moment as a way to increase popularity without thinking that end up bitting him. e.g the twitter thing - forced to buy when he didn't want.

I wonder if a more "hardcore" team, by his words, would have handled this legal case better?

My understanding is that the case was flimsy enough that no "hardcore" lawyers wanted to represent him. It's not just a matter of money; their record (and, therefore, future earnings) are on the line.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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To be fair, twitter ended up useful for him when he used it to buy his way into the US government and close down all the departments that were investigating his companies for breaking all sorts of laws.

On the other hand, buying twitter was the turning point for his public image. Before that, he was Tony Stark. Now he's Lex Luthor.

Is he though? I find he still has a STRONG positive image among younger tech people..

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Aside from the disagreements between these parties, what about the precedent of running a non-profit, and then transferring all IP to a for profit when it’s convenient to do so? I wonder if the government or taxpayers have a case to bring regarding that.

This case sets no precedent one way or the other on that question. The IP was transferred to the for-profit for fair value in 2019, and Musk never argued otherwise in this case.

The attorneys general of California and Delaware could challenge that 2019 IP transfer if they so wished on behalf of the public.

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