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Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by hobofan »

paxys wrote: post #105
gizmodo59 wrote: post #76

Anthropic is getting extremely petty and especially against oai - ad in superbowl about how they are the good guys. - dow public PR stunt (they are the ones to give Palantir their model access). - sues openclaw. - threatens every use of cc in oss community. - prevents other companies using claude saying they cant use when they compete. - never released a single open weight model. - Dario told OAI is Yolo'ing in compu…

How is this acquisition relevant to OpenAI or anything else you said?

All main OpenAI SDK libraries are made with stainless[0][1].

[0]: https://github.com/openai/openai-python

[1]: https://github.com/openai/openai-node

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by jrsj »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #127
cactusplant7374 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's talk specifics. Codex limits are very generous and developers care greatly about access to affordable compute.

Let's not pretend that any company will keep unsustainable limits forever. You can go to codex for free compute; they will enshittify the moment they build a meaningful lead over their competitors After seeing the whole internet being enshittified I'm still shocked people don't see through these very transparent tactics that every tech company has employed since 2012 or so.

This is true of course and I don’t think these heavily subsidized plans will be around forever, but at the same time OpenAI is just less compute constrained than Anthropic right now as well so they’re in a stronger position to be able to offer these subsidies.

GPT models are also generally more token efficient right now and that helps too — you can go a lot further on a $20 subscription with Codex than Claude Code as a result of this.

Ultimately I think many day to day tasks just need to shift away from the latest frontier models towards models that are faster, cheaper, and still perform well enough & you can phase out subsidies while keeping total cost reasonable.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by abigail95 »

deaton wrote: post #65
asdff wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the whole point and the reason for the lofty valuations. Get everyone to shift their work to be dependent on these tooling, to the point they can't imagine working in any other way, and then raise prices. Tale as old as enterprise software.

Tale as old as the word "startup" even. Uber/Lyft did it with taxis. DoorDash did it with food delivery. You run at a loss for years while destroying your legacy competition by just outlasting them, then once you have cornered the market you squeeze.

Now Uber is profitable what stops a taxi from just competing again, forcing Uber to have to be unprofitable again?

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by shimman »

embedding-shape wrote: post #106
paulddraper wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is WILD to put those statements together in the same article.

What's WILD is people ending up relying on these essentially startup-slops that just serves to give you future technical debt once you have to eventually moved away because they got acquired by $INSERT_BAD_GUY_OF_THE_MONTH

The only people "relying" on this are other startups whose VC benefactors force them to use other products under their portfolio in order to goose up their numbers.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by bastawhiz »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #119
urams wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that this user is basically an OAI shill account. You can look through their history to see this quite clearly. Anecdata, but I have a friend at OAI who claims that on both twitter and HN there is mild coordination of OAI employees to signal boost pro-OAI and anti-competitor messaging.

Let's talk specifics. Codex limits are very generous and developers care greatly about access to affordable compute.

That's like rewinding to 2015 and saying "Uber prices [versus Lyft] are very fair and riders care greatly about access to affordable transportation"

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by fragmede »

abigail95 wrote: post #133
deaton wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tale as old as the word "startup" even. Uber/Lyft did it with taxis. DoorDash did it with food delivery. You run at a loss for years while destroying your legacy competition by just outlasting them, then once you have cornered the market you squeeze.

Now Uber is profitable what stops a taxi from just competing again, forcing Uber to have to be unprofitable again?

Skill issue. Taxi companies aren't able to innovate and adapt and improve, despite the competition from Uber, preferring instead to use lobbying and regulations too survive in a post-Uber world.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by max__dev »

regexorcist wrote: post #112
gizmodo59 wrote: post #76

Anthropic is getting extremely petty and especially against oai - ad in superbowl about how they are the good guys. - dow public PR stunt (they are the ones to give Palantir their model access). - sues openclaw. - threatens every use of cc in oss community. - prevents other companies using claude saying they cant use when they compete. - never released a single open weight model. - Dario told OAI is Yolo'ing in compu…

Yeah it's crazy how they're burning developer goodwill. I've personally cancelled and resent them for not being able to delete my claude code session (that button was misteriously the only one in the UI to throw an error, I tried every day for two weeks).

Had to turn off adblock to delete my sessions (firefox, ublock) Seems to be daisy chained through their telemetry service. Kinda bizarre.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by solenoid0937 »

cdata wrote: post #71
dgellow wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was at stainless since the very beginning, I can tell you it wasn’t the plan

With respect, you were manipulated (either by founders or by investors). Startups leverage employees' pro-social leanings to make them feel good about a fundamentally anti-social enterprise.

HN cracks me up sometimes. Anthropic is anti-social? Stainless devs don't want their pre IPO equity to do well? Okay.

I very much doubt you would apply your expectation of altruism to yourself!

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by 650REDHAIR »

bko wrote: post #107
PunchTornado wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oai deserves everything bad that happens to them.

Why? They started the whole chatbot paradigm. They took the leap and are very generous with free tiers. I know people are upset about the non-profit thing but the fact is that was pretty much the only way forward if they wanted to have LLMs have the impact that they are having today. It's very much a question if they'll ever turn a profit. But overall I'm grateful OpenAI had the vision to get this ball rolling when c…

Because Altman is an objectively bad person, mostly.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by jMyles »

embedding-shape wrote: post #106
paulddraper wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is WILD to put those statements together in the same article.

What's WILD is people ending up relying on these essentially startup-slops that just serves to give you future technical debt once you have to eventually moved away because they got acquired by $INSERT_BAD_GUY_OF_THE_MONTH

It may be that there are many projects relying on Stainless, or, as a sibling comment points out, it may be portfolio-based stack selection rather than actual feature dependence.

Either way, it does seem irresponsible and tone deaf for an acquiring/hiring company and an acquired/hired company to send these conflicting signals. If one puts oneself out there as dependable in the face hopes and needs of other, smaller, up-and-coming projects, then a rapid wind-down for $ is incongruent with such a posture.

So much so that, at least for my part, I'd be quite reluctant to hire someone who had engaged in this sort of bob-and-weave pursuit.

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