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Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by tptacek »

phonon wrote: post #129
tptacek wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I don't think I will. Reporters covering public policy matters and obtaining records from covered entities have First Amendment protection arguments that a conspiracy among insiders and external mules to sell health information don't have. But none of this is my point. I'm not arguing that it would be impossible for Boudin's office to allege wrongdoing. I'm arguing that they failed to do so. Like, a really basic…

It would depend on exactly how the records were obtained. If hypothetically she paid a nurse $100 for it (and had done so many times in the past), that could be criminally liable. In practice, no-one would prosecute over a single x-ray. But when a reporter gets legally protected medical information "somehow", an insinuation that a legal violation took place at some point to effect that is not unreasonable.

Yes it is. And when it's a prosecutor saying that, doubly so.

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by protimewaster »

pixl97 wrote: post #69
sumeno wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a requirement to reach the levels they have reached. Someone with empathy would get enough money to take care of their family (maybe even for multiple generations) and then be satisfied and focus on reducing the suffering of others instead of running up the score on net worth

I mean, after I racked up a two digit number of milions of dollars I believe I'd find myself thinking "why the fuck do I need more, it's time to go fuck off and do anything else". Musk at one time said something like "I work 80+ hours a week, so the people around me should work that much too". They are completely blind to how sociopathic they are. It's a totally unhealthy amount to work for one, but for two is Musk h…

> Musk at one time said something like "I work 80+ hours a week, so the people around me should work that much too". They are completely blind to how sociopathic they are. It's a totally unhealthy amount to work for one, but for two is Musk himself will likely earn billions from those workweeks while the people around him will earn almost nothing except stress and then getting randomly fired by him on a whim.

Beyond that, normal people also have other things besides work that will take up their time. It's a lot easier to work 80 hours a week when you're rich enough that you don't ever have to do laundry, clean the house, cook, take care of your kids, tend to a sick relative, sit in a waiting room for 6 hours, be stuck in traffic for 45 minutes, etc.

One of the reasons that working a lot sucks for most of us is that we still have to go home and do the laundry or whatever.

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by rationalist »

samtp wrote: post #68
irishcoffee wrote: post #55

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“If you don’t participate in politics you’re evil” is an argument that you completely made up. You don't like to be called selfish for not considering how your actions might affect others, but others are supposed to care about how their actions might affect you? Seems like a pretty self centered attitude to have.

> “If you don’t participate in politics you’re evil” is an argument that you completely made up.

Incorrect. People were saying if you don't vote at all, you're supporting Trump.

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by rationalist »

samtp wrote: post #45
rationalist wrote: post #43

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Maybe I just want to eat what tastes good, and not have to worry about how what I chose on the menu is going to support a politician, political party, businessperson, etc. The "everything is politics" meme is old and annoying.

Just because you choose to ignore the externalities of your choices doesn't mean they no longer exist. It just means that you value your personal well being and comfort more than being informed about the results of your actions.

I never said anything about ignoring the externalities. I also never said that I was ignorant to the results of my actions.

It's just not political for me.

I guess I'm not surprised that this cognitive trap about politics has spread - after all, people care more about deploying any tools they can to "win", rather than being correct.

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by singleshot_ »

tptacek wrote: post #27

The Chesa Boudin DA "misrepresentations" document, linked towards the end of this story, is weak, bordering on Trumpian. It highlights as "misrepresentations" cases where Boudin simply disagrees with Lim about a statement of opinion (whether his office was suitable forthcoming, organized, or deflecting). At one point it accuses Lim of "violating HIPAA", which is not a thing† (HIPAA constrains covered entities, not re…

> I'd be foursquare behind a progressive prosecutor in a major city that ran a tight ship

Strongly inclined to hire such a prosecutor. Has this model been successfully deployed in any large U.S. cities? My only experience is watching it struggle in a medium one.

On your last point: given the ethical responsibility of a prosecutor, I’d go one step further. If you’re the prosecutor for a jurisdiction where a journalist works, and you make any statement about the legality of the journalists works, you better be substantially likely to secure a conviction, otherwise you should mind your business.

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by tptacek »

singleshot_ wrote: post #135
tptacek wrote: post #27

The Chesa Boudin DA "misrepresentations" document, linked towards the end of this story, is weak, bordering on Trumpian. It highlights as "misrepresentations" cases where Boudin simply disagrees with Lim about a statement of opinion (whether his office was suitable forthcoming, organized, or deflecting). At one point it accuses Lim of "violating HIPAA", which is not a thing† (HIPAA constrains covered entities, not re…

> I'd be foursquare behind a progressive prosecutor in a major city that ran a tight ship Strongly inclined to hire such a prosecutor. Has this model been successfully deployed in any large U.S. cities? My only experience is watching it struggle in a medium one. On your last point: given the ethical responsibility of a prosecutor, I’d go one step further. If you’re the prosecutor for a jurisdiction where a journalist…

Yes. It is a weird document. Journalists are unfair to prosecutors and police chiefs all the time. Shut up and do the job.

(I have feelings here because we're in a mini-spat between our PD and our terrible local newspaper, which is upset that our chief won't give them an interview after the local police union gave her a no-confidence vote; where I live, that vote is, reasonably, viewed as a sign she's doing the job well. But either way: she's not going to give an interview on this!)

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by ericmcer »

SwellJoe wrote: post #11

I've come to be convinced that having a huge amount of money causes some kind of mental breakage, a need to control other people that is unhealthy for everyone it touches. I don't mind everyone having or expressing an opinion, even opinions I disagree with, but when someone uses their disproportionate wealth and influence to spread misinformation and disrupt and dismantle democratic systems it crosses a line. It take…

Or like... getting money is a big filter and any normal person who hits it stops working and disappears from the corporate world.

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by vrganj »

tevon wrote: post #117
vrganj wrote: post #13

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Dude there is nothing "far right" about him. Way too broad a brush to paint with. If we want to retain any sort of liberal democracy we need to stop with the rhetoric that "if you're not as far in X direction as I am, you must be on the other side". Its destroying the democratic party. I'm a staunch democrat, and this is just sad to see. Progressive and centrist should both be able to coexist. We should be able to ca…

Dude he's decrying "Marxists" online. The dog whistle can't be any louder, it's hurting my ears already.

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by tqi »

In the about page, this author states that they produce "original reporting and commentary on the criminal justice system and civil liberties." I really think it is a mistake to blur that line. These days it feels like you can pretty reliably predict what narrative a journalist will present on any given story based on their individual poltics.

How can you reasonably expect to be viewed as an objective reporter of facts if you also are acting as a commentator trying to shape public opinion?

Re: Garry Tan, the CEO of YC, accused me of unethical reporting

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Post by abirch »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115
tptacek wrote: post #27

The Chesa Boudin DA "misrepresentations" document, linked towards the end of this story, is weak, bordering on Trumpian. It highlights as "misrepresentations" cases where Boudin simply disagrees with Lim about a statement of opinion (whether his office was suitable forthcoming, organized, or deflecting). At one point it accuses Lim of "violating HIPAA", which is not a thing† (HIPAA constrains covered entities, not re…

> I feel like I've watched outsider-y progressives get elected into prosecutor roles and then fail their constituencies not because of ideology but over basic competency issues Huh, I went through a similar journey in New York, starting as an advocate of criminal-justice reform and then getting fed up with the incompetence. And while I wouldn't say ideological inflexibility is ideology per se , one of the contributor…

Some of the difficulties of criminal-justice reform include: you can't arrest your way out of mental illness. It's easier for society to lock up the mentally ill in with a 1-dollar bond that it is to provide the help that they need. It's probably cheaper to do give them the housing and help, but it's easier to get money for jails and jailers than it is to get money for mental health facilities.
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