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Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by Mallory_Ringess »

delusional wrote: post #70
orochimaaru wrote: post #8

>>>> In a world where you import all your digital services from the United States, you have no leverage over the United States It's a bit deeper than that. If AI becomes as ubiquitous as imagined, which it seems it will, it's not just a "digital service". It's a primary utility - like electricity, water or highways. Because without it your productivity will plummet. We aren't there yet - we will be there in a few yea…

> Because without it your productivity will plummet. Why would it plummet? Surely we could just keep doing what we've been doing for the past 50 years. That doesn't go away because AI. The promise of AI is a productivity increase after implementing it. It doesn't change the productivity of not implementing it.

It would plummet relative to those using 'AI', not in absolute terms. That in turn would impact your employability compared to those who do use it.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by danielfoster »

jstummbillig wrote: post #69
Insanity wrote: post #26

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

How do you divorce being a European principally from being willing to pay taxes? What part of being uniquely European do you value that does not fundamentally require taxes?

Not every EU country has a high tax burden. Rates are generally much fairer in Eastern Europe and the Baltics.

So I wouldn’t say high taxes are fundamentally European.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by Insanity »

tlogan wrote: post #81
Insanity wrote: post #26

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

But working in UE gives you much stronger job protection. So, in a way, you get what you pay for.

This is a fair point to be honest. But I about 4x’d my take-home salary and get to work on more cutting edge tech, with more impact than in EU.

I did work on some cool medical device and ML tech back in EU, associated with a university and later a start up. But regulation became a PITA.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by Insanity »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #102
Insanity wrote: post #26

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

you get much more for your taxes than in the US though

True, I agree. But it does suck working in tech on a “medium” salary when your overseas colleagues do the same work and earn much more.

What I probably miss the most about EU (apart from family) is good food.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by sajithdilshan »

radicalbyte wrote: post #125
sajithdilshan wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Renewable energy is unreliable without a steady storage capacity and EU would still rely on raw materials for battery production on other countries. Further, regardless of the energy source, what is vital for AI or any other industry is a steady, reliable power source which cannot be provided only through renewables in EU, not only because lack of storage, but also unfavourable geography.

That's only true at the micro level; at the macro level it is surprisingly stable over the EU zone + UK + Norway. There are capacity and interconnect issues but they're small fry. We have a huge amount of capacity for wind and considerable for solar, we just need to get using more of it. We have one of the largest deposits of rare earth minerals in the world in the EU. Where we suffer is in lack of refining capacity.…

That is not true. Germany shutting down their atomic power plants had a rippling effect on the energy market in whole EU because they thought renewables would be enough to power the German industries. It was criticised by even the Sweden's Minister for Energy (Ebba Busch).

Right now Germany is being de-industrialised because it's far expensive for the industries to produce goods there compared to other EU countries and those companies are moving out. That's the price Germany is paying right now for betting on renewables without any investment on infrastructure or a proper migration plan and blind political guidance.

Even the EU has rare earth minerals, do you really thing the climate activists, nature conservation activists and all other far lefties would actually allow mining those minerals in EU?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by olejorgenb »

Oras wrote: post #15

> and a challenger to OpenAI Big claim. Apart from Mistral OCR, I didn't find any of their models remotely useful. They do have a chance to become sole AI provider for France as French are trying to break from US tech, not because their product is useful. Sounds like a cry to raise more money, which is inline with their initial pitch [0] [0] https://sifted.eu/articles/pitch-deck-mistral

Their transcription (STT) models are good IMO

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by collingreen »

logicchains wrote: post #99
teekert wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No but to come to Europa, you get less differences in wealth (essentially) universal healthcare at low/reasonable cost (ie, I can get cancer and not feel it financially), and a lot of state support when you're out of a job. Etc. Thos things cost tax money.

>you get less differences in wealth Yes so if you were in the higher percentiles of wealth, like many engineers in the US, you'd end up with less wealth in Europe, while if you were in the lower percentiles then in Europe you'd end up with more wealth. That's how redistribution works, the top 10% of income earners end up with less (even after accounting for healthcare and education; they get back less then they put i…

Getting less benefit than a lower bracket isn't the same as getting less than you put in and conflating them is misleading or, if intentional, deceitful.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by enaaem »

spwa4 wrote: post #130
enaaem wrote: post #126

I am sceptical of the AI world dominance race. The thing is that AI is not winner takes all market. AI models and server space is all fungible. It is very valuable, but no one will hold exclusive AI capabilities in the long run.

In the HPC space, it has always been a "winner takes all" market. 90% or more of the business goes to the biggest provider with few exceptions (in terms of dollars, obviously all compute gets used). And, yeah, quite a bit of that is government having ... suboptimal ... developers who want to run bad code that nobody's allowed to look at. And yes, it is about weapons design, which is why nobody is allowed to look at (…

Very few governments outside of the US will let a US company "own" them. It is a national security issue. They just take a good enough locally made model.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by collingreen »

giacomoforte wrote: post #86
Insanity wrote: post #26

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

I would become a patriotic European too, but only after our leaders at the national and EU level stop being transatlanticist sellouts... which won't happen any time soon.

What's a "transatlanticist sellout"?
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