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mrob wrote: post #77
new_account_100 wrote: post #47

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> When theres so much value to be had from AI in normal products. Please elaborate

Fuzzy search Reverse dictionary Stack Overflow clone, except you're guaranteed to get an unreliable answer promptly instead of waiting for a human to give it OCR, with new and exciting failure modes Machine translation, with new and exciting failure modes Endless possibilities for exploiting the stupid and ignorant while destroying the web in the process Note that only the first two are unalloyed good, and they can b…

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Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by paul7986 »

paulhebert wrote: post #116
paul7986 wrote: post #86

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Could be where things go…UX is all about less is more ..less steps. Time will tell.

That’s the simplistic view of UX thats commonly sold. Less steps isn’t always better. Friction has its place. A basic example is an “Are you sure?” confirmation before a destructive action. I wish there wasn’t so much focus on “less clicks.” It’s often to the company’s benefit at the detriment of the user

That’s a common UX pattern that would need to be carried over ( could just give a thumbs up & ur AI understands it as you accept lol) into the new UX internet paradigm I mentioned above ..which I don’t think is that far fetched. What I propose is really just chatGPT on ur phones lock screen one that connects to Ai agents I mentioned (not present day thing but surely will be).

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by nonethewiser »

coffeefirst wrote: post #11

Agreed. The ideal implementation of AI for Apple is probably to finally make Siri work. This isn’t necessary fancy, just let me set some calendar events without knowing the magic words or tell it to open Overcast and play the new Gastropod episode. Better yet, for power users, let me set up reusable shortcuts using natural language. The most important part of this is it doesn’t necessarily feel like AI. The user does…

>The ideal implementation of AI for Apple is probably to finally make Siri work.

Upon learning about LLM's however many years ago (3? 4?), literally my first thought was:

"Oh, how Siri is supposed to work."

It's the single most obvious application.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

lurking_swe wrote: post #129
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #63

...in the same way that people used to just accept bulky laptops with terrible batteries, I think people today have become inured to just how annoying it is to get your phone in and out of your pocket. This is why phones get dropped at broken constantly. Phones suck, and I don't think they are the final form factor. The final final form factor is probably a pair of glasses (or an implant), but I still think that's pr…

your argument assumes that “fully integrated and in-my-face” == best form factor. Maybe for certain tasks or certain people. But in general i disagree with that take. The fact that i can stow away my phone into my pocket, not creep out bystanders (they know my camera isn’t recording them, etc), and forget about my phone for a while is a FEATURE.

But a watch isn't in your face. That's the other advantage over glasses (in addition to the "it's not really possible" part).

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by Sammi »

justonceokay wrote: post #120
copperx wrote: post #111

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Please go on. You mean at Amazon you would be grilled with questions if you were the presenter?

Standard procedure at the time for a meeting was: - no PowerPoint - 1-6 page write up of the problem, proposed solution and timeline, and alternate methods that were not chosen - meeting participants ideally have already read the paper, but given 10-20 minutes in silence to read and mark up their thoughts. - presenter says their piece, mostly just summarizing the paper and clarifying tricky sections - intellectual bl…

It's almost like working with a coding agent.

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Post by signatoremo »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #102
lxgr wrote: post #74

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> [...] broadcast that they're so important and busy that they can't take the 5 seconds [...] It takes a lot more than 5 seconds to make an informed decision these days. Apps and websites are throwing abusive fine print and dark patterns at users left and right. I'd be absolutely thrilled to e.g. not have to interact with the Uber app and all its dark patterns if there were somebody or something I could trust to comp…

> It takes a lot more than 5 seconds to make an informed decision these days. Apps and websites are throwing abusive fine print and dark patterns at users left and right. I just opened the Uber app. The first thing that pops up is a search bar that says "Where to?". I entered a destination address. Next thing it showed was a map with a path to my destination and nearby cars, and buttons where I can choose my type of…

Did you ever take Uber in a unfamiliar place? When you're supposed to be at a particular spot but you don't know where that is? When the driver doesn't speak English very well? When both your hands is busy with luggages? When you need glasses to read signs? That's very common when you travel. Agent would be godsend, and once you're used to it, you don't want to go back to the phone. Anywhere.

What if the agent can also communicate with the car's agent? They may even negotiate the meeting spot. Agent is superior.

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Post by ikeke »

janalsncm wrote: post #130
m3kw9 wrote: post #83

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They keep banging on Siri hoping for a different outcome is insanity by definition. Voice is actually not a very good UI for most things, it isn't very private, it's prone to mistakenly think I'm talking to it, and is bad for dense info/info organization. Siri should only be activated very very deliberatly, not "Hey siri", and don't make it act like jarvis because you will not in the near future with the smarts it ne…

> Voice is actually not a very good UI for most things Agreed. But it is a good UI for some things, and which things is probably situation and user specific. Many people’s frustration with Siri is that many of the things it should be good at based on their decision to try , Siri cannot do.

Voice is only good in the context of something that is high priority(e.g talking to a customer service agent) / highly satisfactory (e.g talking to a friend in real time).

Otherwise humans hate that interface.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by skiing_crawling »

pie_flavor wrote: post #126

By 2021, we'll have completely abandoned light switches. We'll just use an app on our phones to turn off the light in the bedroom, or perhaps request out loud for Alexa to do so. The future is the Internet of Things. I think this article is too soft a criticism by half. The iPhone defining the mobile era was not an artefact of the Apple logo being on it. Every bit of Apple's relentless productization went into what f…

I've been using Siri (via homekit) to turn all my lights on and off for about 3 years now. It's steadily getting worse and worse as somehow, Siri is becoming less accurate and Apple is failing to adopt this new technology in a timely fashion.

I would like to tell it to turn off certain light in a certain room, but unless I get the exact string name of those light correct when I speak, Siri doesn't know what I'm talking about. And it can't do multiple things in a command. I can't say "turn off all the lights in XYZ room" or turn of "this light and this light".

Meanwhile, I can vaguely tell a computer behind my tv to do very complicated things (build me an service that ...) and it can execute on it fairly well. But in apple's "product vision" which I am apparently too dumb to decide for myself what I want, I can't ask for two lights to be turned off at the same time.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by m463 »

basisword wrote: post #119
m463 wrote: post #75

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"You have to work backwards from the customer experience." answer... ditch phone/screen, just have an earpod you talk to.

Who wants to talk to an earpod in 95%+ of real world situations? I remember the original Siri ads where a guy was configuring his schedule via Siri on a run. 15 years later and most of the world still thinks you're a doofus if you're running and talking to your voice assistant. Some things will never change.

I've always thought they would come out with subvocal microphones that I though you could use diving or whatever.

(I don't know if they exist)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocal_recognition

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

rglover wrote: post #2

Steve already gave away the secret [1] (must watch) a long time ago: "You have to work backwards from the customer experience." AI was never going to be on Apple's roadmap in a significant way because it's in their DNA to differentiate technology from products. [1] https://youtu.be/oeqPrUmVz-o?si=ndUU1H5D3pNifWss

"You have to work backwards from the customer experience."

To do this right, you probably need to learn from the many attempts others made before. I bet nobody knows yet what a good customer experience for AI will be. They are all still experimenting until somebody puts together all the parts in a successful package.

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