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OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by vntok »

stephbook wrote: post #63
minraws wrote: post #44

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I am not joking when I say this, if you pay me 1.3 million dollars today, I will get so much more done with just a single 200$ codex sub in 30 days than he has in 30 days, I can promise you that. I just checked the code and feature outputs, and I can build all that in 15 days, for 1.3M USD. Fuck I would do it for 1M... Scratch that, if it's 300K then sure I could do the same too, if you paid me that for 30 days of wo…

I don't understand. Are you saying you're capable of building a rival to Openclaw in a few days, but you're just choosing not to? That's amazing.

His restraint alone is commandable.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by vrganj »

boxed wrote: post #124
vrganj wrote: post #71

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Agreed. The Chinese Communist Party lifted a billion people out of poverty. What good has OpenClaw done?

Only after ditching communism and embracing markets mind you.

Those two are not mutually exclusive. What they're going now is similar to Lenin's NEP.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by cedws »

vntok wrote: post #130
danpalmer wrote: post #51

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"All that automation allows us to run extremely lean" He has a different opinion of what it means to be lean than almost everyone else. That's fine, he's allowed to, but it's something you have to understand to make sense of any of his comments on things. He has a radically different set of values to most people.

His team is basically him and two other humans, powering an ambitious well-known project so successful an industry titan ended up acquihiring him/them. That's pretty lean, no?

What’s ambitious about it? It’s a chatbot that glues APIs together.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by maleldil »

yodakohl wrote: post #43

You can look at the output here https://github.com/steipete Sample commit from 5 minutes ago https://github.com/openclaw/crabbox/pull/113 May 2026: 8,826 commits in 94 repositories

He has tests asserting that the output HTML contains specific JS code as strings? What??

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

In the dot com boom there were companies spending like $100+ on ads per $1 of revenue. The cost of customer acquisition was insanely high because of the hype of ecommerce and it was being subsidized by VC and IPO's.

This AI boom feels similar, a lot of hype and the AI usage costs are being subsidized by private equity/VC so far. IPO's are supposed to happen this fall for OpenAI and Anthropic. They're going to have to face the music of corporate governance, accounting rules, reporting revenue, earnings, etc. Subsidizing users seems unsustainable, they need to either jack up rates or downgrade usage per plans. Then there is the circular investments between all of them and Google, Microsoft, etc. Seems like a house of cards.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by mekael »

12arwlaz wrote: post #90

So that is $15.6 million in a year. You could get a decent application for that instead of broken slop if you spend it on human salaries.

I’ve worked for companies with less than that in total personnel expenditures (100ish people) and they were actually economically productive / provided a tangible service. With 15 million and a year(ish) I could spin up dedicated teams to build multiple profitable applications. That sounds like hubris, and maybe it is, but i’m pretty confident given my domain knowledge.

Has everyone gone crazy?

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #135

In the dot com boom there were companies spending like $100+ on ads per $1 of revenue. The cost of customer acquisition was insanely high because of the hype of ecommerce and it was being subsidized by VC and IPO's. This AI boom feels similar, a lot of hype and the AI usage costs are being subsidized by private equity/VC so far. IPO's are supposed to happen this fall for OpenAI and Anthropic. They're going to have to…

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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

VerTiGo_Etrex wrote: post #105
vrganj wrote: post #84

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But.... why ? Like I read his thing on how he spends the tokens [0] and it sounds like satire. He has agents write shitty code for features other agents think other people want, then has it reviewed by other agents in hopes of catching bugs that the first agent put there, then has some more agents try to find security bugs in the now double-agented code to make it triple-agented and at the end of the day, he spent a…

But this is okay? “He has /people/ write shitty code for features other /people/ think other people want, then has it reviewed by other /people/ in hopes of catching bugs that the first /people/ put there, then has some more /people/ try to find security bugs in the now /double-peopled/ code to make it /triple-peopled/ and at the end of the day, he spent a shitton of /money, the people/ probably emitted enough carbon…

> Just with much dumber “people” who are getting exponentially smarter

They haven't gotten any smarter yet, let alone exponentially smarter. They are still the same dumb parrots that they were in the beginning.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by stavros »

mathgeek wrote: post #82
namenotrequired wrote: post #66

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> How is it misleading if this would be the consumer's cost? Because it does not say “equivalent of”, it literally says he spent money that he did not spend

This. If I go up to my boss and say “I spent $10000 but it only cost us $1000” then I spent $1000.

Depends on elasticity, if you could have easily sold that $1000 worth of product and made $10k, then you spent $10k.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

simianwords wrote: post #100
wiseowise wrote: post #42

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> And was he 5x more productive in those 30d than a years worth of a dev making 200k/yr? He was. When it comes to marketing. This is was most people don't understand. Peter is a great marketing guy who got hired because of a hype vision, not because he is an outstanding engineer. Think of it like OpenAI hiring MrBeast of the coding world.

_yawn_ I keep hearing "hype vision". What part of openclaw is hype? It literally works and the adoption has gotten better. We really need better standards for disagreement.

Every part of it is hype, because it does nothing useful.
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