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Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by pandaman »

sitkack wrote: post #90
peatmoss wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you buy their brushless line, you can add a few decent tools to your lineup while using the cheap stuff for everything else. Same battery platform generally. I have a lot of their cheap stuff, plus a few good ones that see more use.

You can buy or make adapters so there is no battery platforms. If we had a functioning FTC there would be no battery platform.

That would suck, because even the same company might have 2 or more different battery platforms. I, for one, have Milwaukee tools from both M12 and M18 platforms. They are for different applications and I specifically bought some M12 tools because their M18 equivalent was too big for my applications, and, on the other hand, I bought some tools in M18 because their M12 counterparts were underpowered for my applications. Imagine running a driver to assemble your PC and an SDS MAX hammer off the same battery?

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by silisili »

jlglover wrote: post #23
delichon wrote: post #18

> Ryobi handles DIY at Home Depot. Milwaukee handles pros. The two brands don't eat each other. They serve different people at different price points with different expectations So market fit is driving both worse and better products at the same time. Cheap DIYers like me are buying the cheapest stuff we can find, and complaining that it's as cheap as its price. My neighbor the contractor buys the expensive stuff and…

Ryobi make mostly good tools though. The results produced by most Ryobi users, myself included, are limited by user skill not tool quality.

Great tools really. I wish they'd bite the bullet and change the battery. Make adapters or have a trade in program. I know that's their schtick, but it's time.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by zippyman55 »

lesuorac wrote: post #75
nubinetwork wrote: post #43

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> A Ryobi tool will realistically last for the many decades you need it for and do everything you ask of it Until you buy one of their lawn mowers and the SLA batteries die after a year...

What year? I got one like 5(?) years ago and it was lithium. Definitely doesn't run as long as when it was new but does enough. For those of you getting a lawn mower, don't get the cheapest one you can. A 13" wide blade is uh gunna take nearly double the passes a 20" wide blade will.

I got the 13” for my postage stamp lawn and it works great. 27 pounds! But I get your point on moving time.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by chadgpt3 »

CharlesW wrote: post #61
titanomachy wrote: post #51

I'm so tired of reading things in this imbecilic ChatGPT voice. I'm going to start flagging the most egregious AI slop, following my interpretation of the guidelines: > If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it Dang, feel free to let me know if this is an inappropriate use of flagging.

Tip: Emailing the moderation team at hn@ycombinator.com is more effective (and more welcome, I believe) than invoking @dang in comments. They and the rest of the team are preturnaturally responsive.

I don't believe submitting AI slop is against the guidelines.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by bushwart »

evolve2k wrote: post #63
deadbabe wrote: post #14

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What’s a good one to start with

If you can afford to pay that bit more for quality product, from the article plus a few comments here; seems that people really like Makita. - hasn’t enshitifed - makes quality tools that last - much more repairable (saving you even more in the long term) - single company, not a conglomerate, no weird vc influence. For most tools you won’t need upgrades, just build out your collection as you go.

I second this, and buy into the 40V line if you need to power garden tools.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by cyanydeez »

tim333 wrote: post #125
massysett wrote: post #85

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As the saying goes, anyone can build a bridge that lasts forever. It takes an engineer to build one that lasts fifty years.

I think the normal saying is "Anyone can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands." Building a forever bridge would be challenging, especially for 5bn yrs in when the sun expands.

dont worry, this is the justifications billionairs have in ignoring modern social problems. thanks elon.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by [deleted] »

delichon wrote: post #18

> Ryobi handles DIY at Home Depot. Milwaukee handles pros. The two brands don't eat each other. They serve different people at different price points with different expectations So market fit is driving both worse and better products at the same time. Cheap DIYers like me are buying the cheapest stuff we can find, and complaining that it's as cheap as its price. My neighbor the contractor buys the expensive stuff and…

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Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by Arubis »

everybodyknows wrote: post #81
Arubis wrote: post #7

I don’t know if it’s by LLM generation or just contemporary style, but I find the style of omitting the subject from sentence after sentence after sentence unreadable. Once is fine. Six in a row is insufferable.

The only full colons are in the headings, and there are no semicolons whatsoever. For embedding a large volume of factual info in prose, these are irreplaceable.

Yeah.

I think what gets me most about both LLM-generated and LLM-inflected writing is the sheer laziness. You don't even have to hand-edit this stuff! Even feeding your spewed output through a slightly more human-sounding model (Palmyra Writer is halfway decent) is an improvement. Just don't take it straight out of the box.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by metalman »

massysett wrote: post #85
legitster wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's anything to apologize for. Buying a professional tool with tens of thousands of hours of potential runtime and 1000lb+ of torque is wasteful. A Ryobi tool will realistically last for the many decades you need it for and do everything you ask of it. Lower price points doesn't just mean something is junk. It can also be engineering efficiency.

As the saying goes, anyone can build a bridge that lasts forever. It takes an engineer to build one that lasts fifty years.

djoser's pyramid has cedar beams that still support the roof of an inner chamber, truely massive, and at something like 4000 years old are past waranty, making the few that have failed free of liability concerns, but less than 100 years later the eygyptians had shifted to all stone roofs for inner chambers in there built to last projects. The techniques and tools were used for millenia prior to the construction of the pyramids, and have been in continious use and production from those times till now.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Post by sitkack »

peatmoss wrote: post #114
sitkack wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy or make adapters so there is no battery platforms. If we had a functioning FTC there would be no battery platform.

Didn't realize adapters were common! I agree on the FTC / standardization point.

I have many cheap ryobi niche tools, but use Makita batteries in them.
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