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Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Sorry for being (slightly?) off-topic: Is there a decent way to buy this LTSC edition of Windows?

Not really. Even for smaller companies it's basically impossible to get 10-20 LTSC or IoT licenses.

Only way is usually to buy devices that have such a license included.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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From everything I've heard, running LTSC is not a good idea for a daily-driver pc. App support/compatibility is annoying and not guaranteed. I guess if you have a small set of unchanging apps that you use and that's all it could be a good pick.

Interestingly, I hear a lot of people talk about LTSC, but few talking about their positive experiences. Is this the "I'm moving to Canada," of operating systems?

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Everyone seems to love the Windows 7 era but for me, Windows peaked GUI-wise with Windows 2000 and everything since then has felt like a poor 'skin' or misplaced 'theme' on top of something else. Windows XP's level of 'plug and play' for devices/drivers ushered in the modern OS feel from a usability standpoint, but from a 'get-shit-done' GUI and responsiveness standpoint Win 2000 (and up to Windows Server 2003 by ext…

Every Windows up to 7 let you pick the classic UI if you preferred that, though, right?

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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post #54

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Just thinking more about how we're told it's "insecure". It's unfortunate that so many tech people are so gullible when it comes to the industry's marketing around this. Many of us know a huge proportion of news stories come from PR firms that just want to sell us something (it comes up on HN every now and then). In the mid-2000s or so, Microsoft had a particular problem selling Office - there was no reason to upgrad…

But... Old software is often going to be insecure on the network. Are you arguing that an OS from 2013 with a browser from the same time is fine on the Web?

Who's using a browser from 2013? When I said I'm running Windows 7, I'm specifically talking about the OS, including an awful lot of updates it's had since 2013, not all software I run on it. Updates added such things as support for the later versions of TLS, several years ago. Although Google and Mozilla have dropped official W7 support from Chrome and Firefox, there are forks that add it back, which is why I'm running up-to-date browsers.

If we were talking about even older browsers though... 20 years ago, because of the insecure way browsers generally worked, everybody used third-party antivirus or e.g. Norton Internet Security, which seemed to cause as many problems as it solved. But browsers (and OSes) haven't been so open for years - we don't have quite that class of problems anymore, where just visiting a site was enough to get the browser to download and run all sorts of nasties. I don't remember quite when it was that we'd left the most dangerous period behind, when the security of browsers and OSes had been considerably hardened, but it was before 2013. Windows 7 was, and is, much safer on the network than XP, by design.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Everyone seems to love the Windows 7 era but for me, Windows peaked GUI-wise with Windows 2000 and everything since then has felt like a poor 'skin' or misplaced 'theme' on top of something else. Windows XP's level of 'plug and play' for devices/drivers ushered in the modern OS feel from a usability standpoint, but from a 'get-shit-done' GUI and responsiveness standpoint Win 2000 (and up to Windows Server 2003 by ext…

> Windows peaked GUI-wise with Windows 2000 and everything since then has felt like a poor 'skin' or misplaced 'theme' on top of something else.

I agree.

But it's all relative, and I did actually like how Win7 looked. Then "flat design" came along and not only did things get visually boring, nowadays, it's frequently very hard to tell fields from buttons from other controls, where you're supposed or allowed to click and where it's just decoration, etc.

It was a mercy on KDE Plasma: KDE has always been at best plain and homely, but at worst, retina-searingly fugly, IMHO. Flat design at least tamed that.

But on everything else, it's worse than what went before.

Win10 LTSC is now my version of choice. I rarely use Windows -- I mainly use macOS and Linux and am exploring BSD -- but when I need to, it's Win10. Win11 is worse than WinME and Vista put together.

If this can make Win10 look like Win7, I'm interested.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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From everything I've heard, running LTSC is not a good idea for a daily-driver pc. App support/compatibility is annoying and not guaranteed. I guess if you have a small set of unchanging apps that you use and that's all it could be a good pick. Interestingly, I hear a lot of people talk about LTSC, but few talking about their positive experiences. Is this the "I'm moving to Canada," of operating systems?

It's been great for me. I have a secondary PC that's been running Windows 10 LTSC IoT for 5 years now. I’m still getting security updates but nothing else (that's a feature to me).

The only time I had an issue was when a DAW installer required me to upgrade to 22H2. I grabbed the enablement package directly and used the DISM tool to install it.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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post #86

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I used to start with 2000 server (so I could RDP) and then install something like Aston Shell to make it customizable and beautiful. I miss the days when windows was a platform you could extend and customize.

Same, but blackbox (bb4win) was my shell of choice. Along with the Win32 Unix tools, Conemu, xyplorer and shell32.dll icon replacements, my Windows back then looked and behaved very similar to a Fluxbox/OpenBox Linux install. I also recall this 3D shell where your desktop was basically like an first-person shooter, where there would be a literal desk with files that you could click on, a media wall that would display…

> I also recall this 3D shell where your desktop was basically like an first-person shooter, where there would be a literal desk with files that you could click on, a media wall that would display your photos and so on.

Was it Task Gallery from Microsoft Research?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/the-tas...

https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/332040.332482

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Now you can hit the Windows key, type Visual Studio and open a Bing search for Visual Studio, instead of actually opening VS. It’s great - if your KPI is bing DAU

I know it should be the default, but if you turn off online searches for the Start Menu, it operates exactly how you'd expect it to on Windows 11. Windows 11 is also a lot faster than 7 was on equivalent systems. Windows 7 would take minutes to boot.

Windows 7 had a good chance of being installed on spinning disks. I think even the cheapo Win11 systems at Walmart have SSDs now.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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The Start Menu integrated search would have been real nice if it worked properly, but unfortunately they decided on some kind of “search” algorithm that can't even do a substring match on items in the Start Menu. I have no clue what the thinking there was, but it drives me to not want to use it.

I think what drives me mad is its nondeterminism. If I hit Winkey and type a string, it should not be the case that I get different results from doing that 6 times in a row because it depends whether some background task which changes the results finishes first.

That's annoying, but I think what's worse is these:

Start typing a word, see the thing you want, finish the word, it disappears.

And

Start typing, see what you want, stop typing and hit enter, but it changed to something else between when you saw it and when you hit enter.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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post #35

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Same here, Windows 2000 is peak UI, I never liked the Frutiger Aero aesthetics. My only criticism is that it was, in a sense, too successful and elements like the taskbar and start menu got ossified and the design stagnated. Apple's F3 show all windows, F4 spotlight is far better. Windows didn't even get multiple desktops until Windows 10. I guess I like the design language but I wouldn't be prepared to give back the…

Windows didn't even get multiple desktops until Windows 10. I believe that it has always supported multiple desktops since the introduction of the NT kernel. There just wasn't any UI provided in the OS for switching. I used a Microsoft PowerToy to switch between desktops, I think all the way back to NT 4.0.

I just checked in the 2003 Platform SDK and desktop support was added in Windows NT 3.51, which came out in 1995.
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