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Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#131
post #35

"I could not be prouder of the growth you delivered" Note the "you delivered"... --- A few lines later "With this, we are making changes today that will result in the reduction of our overall workforce in Q4 by fewer than 4,000 jobs" Rough, bit on the nose no?

My company just did something like this. We completed a big redesign and the CEO sent an email saying how proud he was of our work. Layoffs started the next week.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#132
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we were acquired and part of our org moved into cisco HQ. the entire floor were Indian other than our org, and over time our org was filled out with incoming transfers and new hires. i'll never forget some irony in that one of the engineering leaders brought us together for a mini townhall once and praised our "diversity" but by then the percentage of people in the room were basically the same as you described, inclu…

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The reason is basically that you are "required" to hire other "Indians".

If you get a job at a good company on your own merit, you immediately start getting calls to "refer" your college friends, family, people from your region/state.

Refer here means refer it to HR and make some "setting" that you are guranteed to be hired based on your "reference". Naturally reference would mean that considering you are an employee you would know about open positions and may refer the position to your friend, who would later on get the job on his own merit considering that he is skilled for the position along with required experience.

But the case for Indian employees is that a reference entails to scam the company itself, by letting a less skilled person into the company by making a "setting" with HR etc, who may themselves be from the same region/state.

And if you try to be morally upright person to deny such a scammy "reference", you would then get to listen verbal abuses from your friends and even from your own family members. To deny such a reference leads to straight up "banishment".

Tip:- Among 100 Indians if you see, only 1 or 2 are actually good at their job (or by morality).

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#133

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Diversity is the term to disguise cheaper labor. Call it women, ethnic minorities, trans, neuro divergent, on wheelchair, or those having criminal records. It's a brilliant slogan, not just because virtue signalling, but because it spawns cross cultural factions, all selfishly united to defend it. At no further brainwashing cost to you. You dare to attack it? You are out. Pack your stuff, and your shame. Consolation?…

I can think of at least one fairly large “cultural faction” in the US that doesn’t like DEI

One faction, whether we adhere to its other political views or not, hating DEI doesn't disprove the mechanism. The other factions still defend it selfishly. That's exactly why it holds.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#134

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Cisco especially is absolutely full of H1Bs. As someone that has worked for them a decade ago, some of their division are >90% Indian. Those are all good engineers and not dunking on them at all but it should be unacceptable to bring over competing workers on a visa while also laying off so many people.

we were acquired and part of our org moved into cisco HQ. the entire floor were Indian other than our org, and over time our org was filled out with incoming transfers and new hires. i'll never forget some irony in that one of the engineering leaders brought us together for a mini townhall once and praised our "diversity" but by then the percentage of people in the room were basically the same as you described, inclu…

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Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#135
post #132
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The reason is basically that you are "required" to hire other "Indians". If you get a job at a good company on your own merit, you immediately start getting calls to "refer" your college friends, family, people from your region/state. Refer here means refer it to HR and make some "setting" that you are guranteed to be hired based on your "reference". Naturally reference would mean that considering you are an employee…

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Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#136

> We have important, impactful, and consequential work ahead writing so bad claude could do better

I do wonder if we're going to start seeing people intentionally writing poorly so it's clear their memo is not just "Claude, please write an email saying that..."

I don't think so. I think that ChatGPT will just become the standard communication interface between humans. Sending someone a manually typed email in 2030 will be like sending a handwritten letter in 2026.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cisco especially is absolutely full of H1Bs. As someone that has worked for them a decade ago, some of their division are >90% Indian. Those are all good engineers and not dunking on them at all but it should be unacceptable to bring over competing workers on a visa while also laying off so many people.

we were acquired and part of our org moved into cisco HQ. the entire floor were Indian other than our org, and over time our org was filled out with incoming transfers and new hires. i'll never forget some irony in that one of the engineering leaders brought us together for a mini townhall once and praised our "diversity" but by then the percentage of people in the room were basically the same as you described, inclu…

I was a contractor at Cisco as the only non-indian in my group. But, I think the entire floor (100+ people) was Indian except for me. I'd always heard of "toxic work environments" but was pretty dismissive, until working at Cisco. I never knew people could bring high school bullying, manipulation into a supposed professional workplace.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#138
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity is the term to disguise cheaper labor. Call it women, ethnic minorities, trans, neuro divergent, on wheelchair, or those having criminal records. It's a brilliant slogan, not just because virtue signalling, but because it spawns cross cultural factions, all selfishly united to defend it. At no further brainwashing cost to you. You dare to attack it? You are out. Pack your stuff, and your shame. Consolation?…

The way you can phrase it: you may jsut get people that are happy to do a good job for the pay they get. In many areas your typical white/cis/hetero/neurotypical male is not present, because you cannot get the maximum reward for their well-trained ego. I think diversity/pay is pretty munch confounded for plausible reasons.

That's saying the white/cis/hetero male is absent because ego demands more reward. Exactly. Diversity fills that gap at lower cost. That's my point, or a counter?

The scheme's motive is the overall effect. Lower wages. It doesn't care about white hetero, or black trans who happen to participate in paralympics.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#139
post #46

My extremely cynical, but not yet proven wrong view: Tech, more or less, has a group of investors centered around Silicon Valley. Not the only ones, but especially now, the most active. Generally, these folk have a lot of exposure to AI, and probably mostly believe the hype around it. Which means they believe companies using AI should produce better results, which in the current market means short-term cash. So if a…

>My extremely cynical, but not yet proven wrong view

1. FAANG does something that's relevant to their company.

2. Everyone thinks that this is an universally good move because they're FAANG.

3. Market rewards copying FAANG regardless whether that strategy also applies to your company.

Simple as that.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#140

"...fewer than 4,000 jobs, representing less than 5 percent of our total employee base." I cringe at this attempt to soften the numbers by saying "fewer than" and "less than" here. Conversely, and ironically, it also puts inflated numbers in your head. "How many people will be axed at Cisco?" "3,998 ... but at least it's fewer than 4,000!"

Dear reader, let's put it that way, the precise number is even more insignificant than 5%.

Contrast with the benefits of the path set onward. Small steps for humans, but a leap forward for humanity!

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