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Re: Operation: Epic Furious

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

epistasis wrote: post #123
an0malous wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I go to the supermarket for groceries and fill up the gas in my car to get there, my goal wasn’t to get gas, it was to get groceries. The historians are already saying this war is for Israel, that’s what John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs are saying. I’m sure the companies that produce the textbooks will find a way to say how it’s all rather more complicated than that though.

> John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs lol those people are absolute shills and frauds, completely discredited liars. I do agree that Israel is largely the impetus, but citing fools like those people is a bit discrediting. They might be right by accident but they are not serious people. Plus, you're completely ignoring that Trump was aglow with the thrill of stealing Venezuela's oil. The idea that stealing Iran's oil w…

Do you have any specifics about Mearsheimer or Sachs? Or just vague insinuations.

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

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Post by epistasis »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #131
epistasis wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs lol those people are absolute shills and frauds, completely discredited liars. I do agree that Israel is largely the impetus, but citing fools like those people is a bit discrediting. They might be right by accident but they are not serious people. Plus, you're completely ignoring that Trump was aglow with the thrill of stealing Venezuela's oil. The idea that stealing Iran's oil w…

Do you have any specifics about Mearsheimer or Sachs? Or just vague insinuations.

Pretty much anything they have said about Ukraine. Look at their predictions in Ukraine, or Sachs lying blatantly about Maidan:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ohpa7j/italian_se...

These people serve highly political ends, and do not have factual goals in their communication.

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

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Post by r721 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #131
epistasis wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs lol those people are absolute shills and frauds, completely discredited liars. I do agree that Israel is largely the impetus, but citing fools like those people is a bit discrediting. They might be right by accident but they are not serious people. Plus, you're completely ignoring that Trump was aglow with the thrill of stealing Venezuela's oil. The idea that stealing Iran's oil w…

Do you have any specifics about Mearsheimer or Sachs? Or just vague insinuations.

I don't know about their recent comments on Iran/Israel/US, but these two certainly participated in distributing pro-Kremlin propaganda about Russia/Ukraine conflict:

>Sachs has suggested that the U.S. was responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. In February 2023, he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council about the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Russian_invasion...

>They willingly appear on the programs of Russia’s most odious state propagandist, Vladimir Solovyov ... Mr. Sachs has made three appearances on Mr. Solovyov’s programs since November.

https://archive.is/WRODG (WSJ)

>In John Mearsheimer's 2023 book How States Think, the preface acknowledges him receiving a small financial support from Valdai in conjunction with Best Book award for his 2019 book The Great Delusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club

https://valdaiclub.com/about/experts/4624/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Russian_invas...

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

#134

Post by 542458 »

simianparrot wrote: post #104
542458 wrote: post #43

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Are you implying that this must be funded by some shadowy group? I don’t see why, people independently make media mocking politicians all the time.

Yeah but they don’t erect statues like this group does

People independently make statues all the time, including some very famous and expensive ones such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charging_Bull

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

#135

Post by ifyoubuildit »

r721 wrote: post #133
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any specifics about Mearsheimer or Sachs? Or just vague insinuations.

I don't know about their recent comments on Iran/Israel/US, but these two certainly participated in distributing pro-Kremlin propaganda about Russia/Ukraine conflict: >Sachs has suggested that the U.S. was responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. In February 2023, he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council about the topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jef…

So you know who blew up nordstream?

The financial support point seems like it could have some legs. The other ones aren't terribly convincing. "They went on the bad guys show" or "they said the same things the bad guys say" isn't all that compelling to me.

I don't see how any of it rises up to "lol they've been completely debunked"

As someone who has no dog in the Russia/Ukraine fight (other than my tax dollars), I never liked how if one side said the sky was blue and you entertained the idea, suddenly you love the enemy, and you're parroting their talking points. Nevermind that neither of them are my friend.

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

#136

Post by r721 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #135
r721 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about their recent comments on Iran/Israel/US, but these two certainly participated in distributing pro-Kremlin propaganda about Russia/Ukraine conflict: >Sachs has suggested that the U.S. was responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. In February 2023, he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council about the topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jef…

So you know who blew up nordstream? The financial support point seems like it could have some legs. The other ones aren't terribly convincing. "They went on the bad guys show" or "they said the same things the bad guys say" isn't all that compelling to me. I don't see how any of it rises up to "lol they've been completely debunked" As someone who has no dog in the Russia/Ukraine fight (other than my tax dollars), I n…

>So you know who blew up nordstream?

It's pretty well known for now that it was a team of Ukrainians (the only question is whether Zelensky or CIA knew about it at the time, here's one of recent articles: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/pipeline-explosio...).

Anyway I linked that for "he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council" bit to show he's aligned with Russian state views on the topic.

>"They went on the bad guys show"

The thing is that people who disagree with Russian state are not invited on that show.

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

#137

Post by NDlurker »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #125
NDlurker wrote: post #98

Hilarious. I played through it twice. I think I found everything except for the vial of measles. Maybe it was never meant to be found hahaha

> vial of measles Main map, middle left, just below Putin. Did you find the ping pong balls for Kash Patel? I could not.

Oh wow. Nope. He never even asked me for that. I guess I need to do another playthrough
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