I wonder if they remove encryption how can they ensure who are the authors. Will they still apply all the certificates?
France moves to break encrypted messaging
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#132So in France you will not be able to send your friend gibberish text that only you and your friend understand. Will they also ban the ability to make new languages that only you and your friends understand. Will they also ban whispering?
They've already banned religious and cultural freedom so why not?
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#133I have talked about it with a high-ranking french policeman. That person is mostly active in fighting sex-crimes on children, which is the angle I will mostly be referring to. From what I understood, it is very clear to them that even if these laws comes to pass, a good amount of criminal activities will move to other safer options. However, the general criminal is not technically competent. Currently, with WhatsApp…
First, the French state has zero interest in access to these messages to help children. The proof: NEITHER the French police NOR the secret service investigate child abuse cases. The police only investigates them if they absolutely can't avoid it, because mostly people with access to children commit child abuse. You will find child abuse requires a child. In other words, who does that? Teachers, sports teachers and c…
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
First, the French state has zero interest in access to these messages to help children. The proof: NEITHER the French police NOR the secret service investigate child abuse cases. The police only investigates them if they absolutely can't avoid it, because mostly people with access to children commit child abuse. You will find child abuse requires a child. In other words, who does that? Teachers, sports teachers and c…
Most of what you said is may be true but not the part about hentai ? France does block, without asking a judge, most of the big hentai websites with a problematic catalog, and you can't sell those IRL either !
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#135I find it fascinating that a country with citizens that are typically willing to protest in the streets at the drop of a hat don't seem to care. Is it that they aren't technically literate?
These sorts of laws have repeatedly failed to pass in Europe due to people protesting. The government just keeps coming back and trying again it seems. What makes you think French citizens don’t care?
...because they haven't protested the proposed law? If they have, do you have a link? I've not seen any coverage in mainstream or independent media.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Open source would not help without the reproducible builds of Signal (I wonder who check them on each release?). And only builds like Molly include no binary blobs of Google [1], which could IMHO at least be used to extract some metadata. Leaving the OS still as a risk, even for Molly or Matrix clients. Even with transparency around linked devices, I would believe that few people would notice silently linked devices.…
Politicians should probably not use Signal but something that is controlled by the government and for example doesn’t allow „accidentally“ deleting incriminating messages.
So they can spy on them directly?
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#137"The excessive increase of anything often causes a reaction in the opposite direction; and this is the case with freedom, which in a democracy often descends into anarchy... The excessive liberty of the individual in a democracy eventually leads to a desire for authoritarian rule, and out of that desire, the tyrant arises." - Plato's Republic
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Meanwhile NSA top brass publicly stated, "We kill people based on metadata. Can someone post a link to that?
Since you're too lazy to do even a precursory search: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NSaGl2uO5w
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#139It's an innovative idea. What defenses against this attack are in WhatsApp, Signal, etc. right now?
(In any situation, attackers can attack endpoints: If they can see what the user sees, apps and encryption don't matter. They could attack remotely, or in the case of higher-interest targets, physically.)
First, does the service mediate the group chat? If the messaging is peer-to-peer [0] with no server mediating, then someone would of course need to attack a peer as described above. I know Signal supposedly has no metadata, including chat participants; I don't know what mediation they do.
If the service does mediate the chat somehow, then an attacker could theoretically add themselves to the group. Hiding - the 'ghost' part - from the rest of the group seems trickier, but maybe that's also possible server-side.
[0] 5 users doing a mesh of multicast peer-to-peer video sounds like a utilization and quality nightmare.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Politicians should probably not use Signal but something that is controlled by the government and for example doesn’t allow „accidentally“ deleting incriminating messages.
If politicians would be effectively controlled by the government and not by some independent party those mysterious, oops, accidentally deleted it problems would increase.