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Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by jiggawatts »

nottorp wrote: post #87
simiones wrote: post #55

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To be fair to GP, while I agree that literary translations are still much better left to professional translators, the specific examples actually given have recently been moving in the opposite direction in my experience - at least for translations from English. In my own language, I've seen articles published in translation under license, on major local news sites, including mis-translations as ridiculous as "1000 l…

News sites are extremely cash strapped, I bet it's all automatic translation, maybe with the exception of a few important articles, and it has been even before LLMs. On my local news sites I still see crap like english word order but Romanian words on filler articles, which means it wasn't even a LLM.

During the Ukraine war I saw many Russian or Ukrainian language articles or whatever translated with just Google Translate and it was a hopeless jumble of errors.

Even GPT 4 was massively better.

Some people just don’t understand how general purpose these chat bots are and insist on continuing to use single purpose tools that have been left in the dust.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by jiggawatts »

uncircle wrote: post #52
bugufu8f83 wrote: post #39

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Your solution to "I would like to know how the original non-translated version is like." is to recommend translation software? And the idea of disregarding professional translations in favor of LLMs for quality reasons is breathtakingly...something. Arrogant? Naive?

Dude, you should know on here the answer the every question, including the meaning of life, these days is AI.

If you want a verbatim translation of a piece of foreign language text where your problem is specifically that human authors are editorialising their translations… then yes, AI is the solution.

“You always want to use the backhoe!”, says the person with a giant hole they need excavated quickly and cheaply.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by epolanski »

jimbob45 wrote: post #47
arjie wrote: post #15

When I was a child in India, the fairy tale books that you could get easily were a bunch of Eastern European ones: Russian, Karelian, that sort of thing. And they were full of crazy stuff, man. The cossacks were constantly getting their heads cut off and this and that. I went back to India a year ago, and one of the things I made sure to bring back were my copies of those books (and the Journey to the West translatio…

There’s just no reason to traumatize kids that early. It’s perfectly fine to be a happy Disney kid until 10 and then find the trauma gradually. It’s not like Bridge to Terabithia didn’t exist for the previous generation either.

Why 10 and not 9? Or 11? Or 8? Or 12?

To me those seem like made up numbers.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by ahazred8ta »

kombookcha wrote: post #70
michaelscott wrote: post #67

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I had a partner who was a teacher in very rough areas; the school principal was routinely called by the local gang leader to let school out early because rival gangs planned to have a shootout in the afternoon. Kids there were abused in more ways than I want to remember or recount, babies were sometimes found in dumpsters, and the whole thing had this constantly oppressive and hopeless atmosphere. My partner did her…

It's important to remember that these stories are orignally an oral tradition that only fairly recently began to be written down. They would have had a myriad of differing versions depending on the preferences of the storyteller, their community and the intended effect on specific audiences. In a way, retelling these stories in a way that's meaningful to the listeners is the way it always has been. We just have to re…

There's a gallery of variant versions of Cinderella from different countries, even China. In many of them she has an enchanted cow. http://www.365cinderellas.com/

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by smelendez »

47282847 wrote: post #86
ffsm8 wrote: post #80

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Isn't that the other way around? People back then had more contact with the darker reality we live in - hence it was more relatable. Current generation of people in the west have been completely sheltered and protected by the establishment for all their life and have completely forgotten that isn't something natural. With every generation since WW2 this has gotten more pronounced, and at this point people unironicall…

Is that really true? I find that more and more TV series have a lot more gruesome elements in there nowadays, also ones aimed at not-only-adults like Stranger Things for example. And horror movies moved from being a niche thing to Hollywood.

I would say just the opposite.

Think about all the serial killer and urban crime movies in the ‘80s and ‘90s, or the film noir of the postwar period.

TV is more complicated, but cop shows like the early seasons of Law and Order and all of SVU, NYPD, and then later The Wire and The Shield were pretty gritty.

Video games have always been a mix of squeaky clean Mario and Zelda and gory content: Think Doom, Mortal Kombat, Grand Theft Auto, Postal, etc.

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Post by pseudohadamard »

dashdashu wrote: post #61
arjie wrote: post #15

When I was a child in India, the fairy tale books that you could get easily were a bunch of Eastern European ones: Russian, Karelian, that sort of thing. And they were full of crazy stuff, man. The cossacks were constantly getting their heads cut off and this and that. I went back to India a year ago, and one of the things I made sure to bring back were my copies of those books (and the Journey to the West translatio…

I think I remember that the original brother grimm stories were also much more violent, and dont forget german classics like the Struwwelpeter, gave me nightmares as a kid - especially the guy with the huge scissors cutting off the thumbs of a kid who sucked on them too much. Its in public domain if anyone is curious: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24571

There's more recent (relatively) stuff as well like Wilhelm Busch's "Max und Moritz", whose fate it is to be ground to a pulp in a mill after blowing the head off their school teacher, killing an old widow's chickens, and other cute children's pranks.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by [deleted] »

gchamonlive wrote: post #116
anbotero wrote: post #106

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I'd like numbers/evidence on it too, but for my own generation, I compared my cousins for years precisely about overprotectiveness, and those who were only protected against extreme imminent danger have succeeded in life way further (for their starting conditions, socially and economically) than those who had my aunts all over them not letting them fall and have scrapes. Anecdotally, again, the parents of those who d…

I'm not disputing that, my gripe is with the part ">20 y/o people can't speak for themselves and are overly shy". Can we really put an entire generation under this flag? Idk... I've met some 20 somethings and they seemed pretty functional to me.

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Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by pawelduda »

dugidugout wrote: post #115
pawelduda wrote: post #66

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The game's way darker still but it doesn't feel overdone. You can tell a lot of soul was poured into it. Nice to know that it all somehow traces back to its source I remember hearing about "Pinnocchio soulslike" and just couldn't imagine how that'd work. Now it's one of my favourites - especially with the expansion.

I personally could not stomach the clocktower. I may just be bad at platforming, but the stage felt jarringly frustrating compared to the pleasant frustration I was having with the rest of the games challenges. After my 10th or so time getting blasted by a fireball while inching across a beam, I made my peace. It is a shame because I very much enjoyed the premise and world otherwise.

About every soulslike has to have this one anxiety-inducing platforming section. I saw a lot of players complain about this particular part but IMO it's wasn't the most frustrating one:D
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