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I had to block meta's ASN on my personal cgit server a few weeks ago because they were ignoring robots.txt and torching it. Like hundreds of megabytes of access logs just from them, spread around different network blocks to clearly try and defeat IP based limiting. I couldn't believe it.
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Just gonna say... Aaron Swartz faced years of prison time and ultimately decided to take his own life... for downloading scientific journal articles ... to share freely with the world (aka not even profiting from it). But a multi-billion dollar corporation downloading millions of copyrighted creative works so that they can reshape the entire labor market by training a new type of artificial intelligence model on that…
I doubt Meta has deleted their local copy though ...
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No, if you read the article, the point is in the training, not the reproduction. That's what all these lawsuits are about - it's the training not the reproduction. I already agreed in my first comment that the reproduction is off limits. In this case, it appears that Meta torrented illegal copies of the work to do the training. Obviously that's bad. But conflating that with training itself doesn't follow.
The point of these lawsuits is the piracy. My parent comment was about the general situation, not this specific article. Pirating content is illegal, regardless of if it is to train an LLM. Usage of LLMs trained on unlicensed content (basically all of them) might or might not be illegal. Using any method to reproduce a copyrighted work by using that original as input in a way that supplants the market value of the or…
A lot of people would be very pleased if this leads to Zuckerberg getting even the statutory minimum damages ($750?) on each infringement. The previous infringement case with Anthropic said that while training an AI was transformative and not itself an infringement, pirating works for that purpose still was definitely infringement all by itself. The settlement was $1.5bn, so close to $3k for each of the 500k they pir…
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I agree, time to start handing out real punishments, I think 6 months is way to small. If this was you or me, we would be in prison for decades and have a fine in the millions. Time for these people to feel consequences. As someone said, they will probably settle for around 6 billion, that is the same as say a $100 fine for us.
This comment could get its own DSM classification for how insane it is. I'm all for strong justice, but you want to imprison an executive for decades for copyright violations?
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Facebook isn't one of the companies that's been pushing for that.
How is that relevant?
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If you steal a book and read it, should you have to pay every time you use the knowledge gained or recall parts of it from memory?
If I perform a song in public then yes, I should pay the creator every time I play it. I fail to see the difference here.
Also I believe performing covers is legal
I've wondered what the legalese justification for letting liability evaporate as it does so often with corps. So far the reasons I'm left with are 'shrugs' and 'the relevant provision (seemingly? apparently?) simply don't apply', neither of which are any good.
I was going to make a joke about how we should attach magnets to Aaron Swartz' corpse, since that'd make for a pretty potent energy source, given how fast he must be spinning. But honestly, I think he would have seen this sort of thing coming, given how his case was handled and how things really haven't gotten any better.
I know personally a case of a engineer who was told to do something despite all the legal problems because the company had lawyers for a reason
I had to block meta's ASN on my personal cgit server a few weeks ago because they were ignoring robots.txt and torching it. Like hundreds of megabytes of access logs just from them, spread around different network blocks to clearly try and defeat IP based limiting. I couldn't believe it.
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