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It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

AFAIK only Swiss and USA have a real federal estate. Good thing.

What do you mean by real? Germany, Russia are federation, what makes them not real ones?

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I can’t believe I’m defending a Yahoo tech blogger, but this is unnecessarily rude. You don’t need to be an attorney to report on legislation, and being from Portland has absolutely no bearing on his qualifications. You’re just appealing to lazy stereotypes.

It’s not just reporting, this is a legal analysis that is in my view not very good.

It really isn’t legal analysis, unless you think all reporting on legislation is legal analysis.

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I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone to read Cory Doctorow's novel Attack Surface and to think deeply about the message contained within. He has something significant to say, IMO, about the need for people like "us" (that is, people who care deeply about these issues) to use our knowledge, resources, skills, etc. to help effect changes in public policy through the legislative process as opposed to try…

I felt the same way after reading "Little Brother".

I haven't gotten to that one yet, but it's on my list! Actually, Attack Surface was my first (and so far only) Cory Doctorow novel, but after reading it, I'm definitely game to dig into more of his oeuvre.

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"websites subject to the state's age verification law will be legally barred from explaining how to use a VPN to get around age restrictions" I thought the US has free speech?

It does. Journalists are rarely experts on the field they are reporting on (see also: Gell Mann amnesia) so even though the article's author is speaking authoritatively, he has no experience in law, but an MFA. (See the "About Sam" section at: https://tech.yahoo.com/author/sam-chapman-engadget/ ). A more truthful take would be something like "Utah is the latest state to pass yet another law that conflicts with the co…

> A more truthful take would be something like "Utah is the latest state to pass yet another law that conflicts with the constitution and will not go into effect".

The law will go into effect probably. It may be negated later.

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This is the next part of the national Orwellian surveillance system that is "age verification". The first part installs spyware in every operating system. The second part makes it illegal to work around it or find any alternative means of privacy. The final step is a government-mandated ID for logging into these devices with the OS controls, so the government can track everything you do on every device. This is the m…

> This is the most wildly dangerous threat to liberty in this nation's history. You better sit down before you look up “citizens united."

IIUC Citizens United basically defended the freedom of people to donate anonymously to political campaigns. Do I have that wrong, or could you explain what liberties trampled by C.U. outweigh those it maintained?

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This is the next part of the national Orwellian surveillance system that is "age verification". The first part installs spyware in every operating system. The second part makes it illegal to work around it or find any alternative means of privacy. The final step is a government-mandated ID for logging into these devices with the OS controls, so the government can track everything you do on every device. This is the m…

As hyperbolic as it stands, right to privacy should be an amendment. As long as the internet continues to be an integral part of banking, insurance, healthcare, education, (name anything vaguely personal) we can't allow free, unmonitored transit around it to be curtailed. Imagine losing your health insurance because the rightspeak of yesterday became the wrongspeak of today. It's insane people can't grasp this.

As hyperbolic as it stands, right to privacy should be an amendment.

I don't think it's hyperbolic at all. I think this is something that absolutely must happen, and that it's pretty obvious that it must happen. But then again, I often cite Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four as the most influential book I've ever read in my life, so I'm not exactly unbiased.

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Because you also cannot counsel anyone on how to rob a house, or steal a car, or commit arson. You can teach them how to start a fire, and fire safety rules for the home, and you can teach them how to secure their cars and point out common vulnerabilities, but you can't actually counsel people on how to commit a crime or do something illegal. Well, you can and I guess that is your "free speech" but the judge is also…

yet there are plenty of sites with written or video instructions on how to pick a lock.

Picking a lock is not necessarily illegal. You could be a locksmith in training; you could be picking your own locks. You could be just in a lab or a classroom or a manufacturer that does this stuff.

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Too bad companies did not have 'ba*s' to block their sites from being accessed in Utah. If all companies did that, it would stop all these crazy laws instantly. Where I live, one site I log into started asking for my birth date. That is in a State were age verification is not yet even being talked about. So my response is to never go to that site again. I believe it will change once users start dropping off that site…

I don’t understand how this is related. As I understand it, many of the websites affected by these laws did chose to blanket-ban those states from accessing them. This VPN law is a weak attempt to claim that it’s not enough to geo-block people, similar to the UK governing bodies that are trying to go after websites that have geoblocked the UK because they don’t believe that’s sufficient.

From what I have heard, only porn and smaller sites did this. I am referring to facebook, twitter, blue sky, tiktoc and other such large sites. If those sites starts blocking States like Utah, you would see a big outcry and laws changing.

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I don't think so. How do you think they can implement your third quote with substantially undermining VPNs? Do you know of other states closer to banning them, either directly or indirectly?

There are many comments here that are confused about what the bill actually says. Headline very much implies something about a law banning VPNs. But that's not what the headline really means. So it's misleading.

The headline suggests that Utah is moving in the direction of banning VPNs, and is closer than other states. I don't see anything misleading about that, especially when you see the enforcement piece would fundamentally gut VPNs if implemented.

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How is this not a 1A violation?

Because you also cannot counsel anyone on how to rob a house, or steal a car, or commit arson. You can teach them how to start a fire, and fire safety rules for the home, and you can teach them how to secure their cars and point out common vulnerabilities, but you can't actually counsel people on how to commit a crime or do something illegal. Well, you can and I guess that is your "free speech" but the judge is also…

Sure. But that means you can't make it illegal for a site to show you what a VPN is, how to use it, and explain that one shouldn't use it to circumvent a law but could, right?
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