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Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by sigmoid10 »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #91
sigmoid10 wrote: post #69

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>Decompilation to C (and even C++!) has been done automatically for 2-3 decades at least. Only in a very rudimentary sense and definitely not in a working compilation (much less binary equivalent) sense. LLMs have turned this from a gimmick for static analysis into something that actually works pretty well for recompilation projects.

> Only in a very rudimentary sense and definitely not in a working compilation (much less binary equivalent) sense. Working is the easy part; the hard part is getting something that classifies as readable C. LLMs do not really help reach the "working compilation" part but benefit from it.

We are way past "working compilation" when it comes to LLMs. They are already really good at writing readable, compliable code. The big problem with LLMs is making sure the output binary actually does what you wanted it to do. But if you define the goal not merely as instructions in a vague, unspecific human language and rather as recreating a given set of binary instructions after compilation, this big drawback goes away. So in a sense they are better suited for recompilation projects than for developing new applications.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by charcircuit »

wesselbindt wrote: post #116
charcircuit wrote: post #108

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A thief would be excited to eat the food they stole. Taking's other stuff for free always looks great from the thief's perspective.

> A thief would be excited to eat the food they stole I don't concede that the act of sharing this code is stealing, of course. The act of helping one's fellow man is a good thing. You've made your stance clear, and the very cogent and fairly conclusive arguments people have made against your stance don't seem to land, and I have no interest in repeating that exercise (and neither do you, I'm sure). But this phrase s…

>Is the case of stealing food not at all morally ambiguous to you?

It is not ambiguous in the least. To me part of being human is being able to ignore one's natural instincts and make one's own actions. If someone is stealing food either they are no better than an animal, so they should be locked up like one, or they are antisocial and want to commit malicious acts in which they should be punished.

>What about the case of a young mother stealing diapers she can't afford?

To me this clearly is also wrong. Either the father needs to be working more so they can afford them, or the mother should create them herself instead of resulting to stealing them. The age of the mother makes no difference as basic harmful behavior like stealing is taught and understood at a very young age.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by charcircuit »

bit-anarchist wrote: post #129
charcircuit wrote: post #107

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Culture may belong to people, but intellectual property like source code doesn't. It's protected by NDAs for the express fact that it doesn't become part of what the people have. Copies of the game have been released for people to play to directly experience the game. >unnatural legal fiction It is extremely natural for someone to have ownership over what one has created. If you make a beautifully designed pendant so…

> Culture may belong to people, but intellectual property like source code doesn't. > It is extremely natural for someone to have ownership over what one has created. Intelectual property is an oxymoron, and no oxymoron can be natural. Only scarce things can be property. Making non-scarce things (e.g. binary code) act as property is conflict-seeking behavior that often results in the violation of real ownership of ot…

>Only scarce things can be property.

Abundant things can be property too. Property is about ownership. Intellectual property is a subcategory of property. It isn't an oxymoron.

>NDA do not protect IPs.

But they do indicate intent.

>someone can "steal" (copy) my beatiful design

I was talking about the physical object. They may think it is of such importance that it should live in a museum instead of as your private property. Other people believe that a museum could preserve it better and they think they know how best the pendant should be used than its actual owner.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #131
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only in a very rudimentary sense and definitely not in a working compilation (much less binary equivalent) sense. Working is the easy part; the hard part is getting something that classifies as readable C. LLMs do not really help reach the "working compilation" part but benefit from it.

We are way past "working compilation" when it comes to LLMs. They are already really good at writing readable, compliable code. The big problem with LLMs is making sure the output binary actually does what you wanted it to do. But if you define the goal not merely as instructions in a vague, unspecific human language and rather as recreating a given set of binary instructions after compilation, this big drawback goes…

My point is that we have been past the "working compilation" way before LLMs, and I do not think anything in LLMs help with it, at best agents use these tools with the same efficiency. I disagree that they're good at writing compilable code, but agree on the readable part.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by zeratax »

tombert wrote: post #68
casualscience wrote: post #38

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Not much, just accurately predicted the next 30 years exactly

Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone? Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

what is incomprehensible about her actually having paranormal powers

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by red-iron-pine »

zero_shift wrote: post #98
stavros wrote: post #82

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What did actually happen? I haven't played the game.

During the mainline of the game you are an anti terrorist specialist sent to rescue the president from a bunch of stereotypical mad bombers Well, basically, the leader of the terrorists is the 43rd US president, who is a clone of a super soldier despite being ostensibly anti cloning in office. (Yes, he's Dubya). He's planning to detonate a nuclear weapon above Manhattan so an EMP field knocks out all communications.…

> It makes a lot more sense in MGS4

I played that game and it did not.

To be clear, great game, banging music and design, and the multiplayer was a ton of fun. 10/10, do recommend.

But the story was "wtf?"

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