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Preceden t . Please please let's not change English to conflate those two words.
You're right, thanks for the catch.
Thank you too! I appreciate it. :)
Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
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Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
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I'm having a similar issue with Volvo. It occasionally sees a gate track on the ground as a 'hazard' and will hard-brake when slowly backing over it. It's inconsistent but happens regularly.
On the one hand, my 50 year old car (1976 BMW 2002) has very few safety measures, but on the other hand there’s no bullshit like this…
Back in the early 1980's, a high school friend from a semi-wealthy family received a money from his parents to buy his first car to drive to school. They were expecting him to buy a new Honda or Toyota, but he proudly showed up at home with an old used 2002. They were not happy, but we had a great time with that car. :-)
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
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One reason I love my mid-00s Lexus SUV. All the luxury features you want, but clean instrument cluster with no driving assistance tech to break or get in the way. Great visual clarity on the road, 300K miles on original drivetrain without issues, and a beast in the snow/inclement weather. Only downside is mileage, but I legit wouldn't trade it for a new car.
Which model is it? Didn't they make quite a few? :)
The GX and LX models specifically! Built off the LC platform.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
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I (also in CA) lemon returned a Mercedes EV. Same kind of thing, they could not fix repeated software issues w/ the collision avoidance features. I called them up, gave a short explanation, and they sent me to their vendor who handles the returns, no issues. Full price (including tax etc) back. AIUI, they know not to fight, since in CA when they loose, they pay your legal fees.
I just got repeated run arounds from the euro brands - like they can’t reproduce it or that it was determined to be a non issue. The dealers would just eventually give me the phone number for the corporate line if I wanted to push more. But it wasn’t even some kind of support phone number - literally just a generic corporate number. So basically they were telling me to go away. Oh and top of that they charged me for…
That sucks. For me, it was clear the dealer did not really care, and was happy to call each visit a valid warranty repair attempt (and later agree it was not fixed).
Once it had been in N times, the game was over.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#135From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.
By this definition, putting a brick on the accelerator and tying the steering wheel in place is self-driving.
That is self driving, but a basic implementation of it. It's like a chess AI that plays random moves. It is able to play chess, but its performance is very limited.
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#136Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
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At this point I want basically no driver assistance features except maybe an automatic cruise control speed adjustment to vehicle directly in the lane ahead based on forward facing radar data. Many of them seem to be much more troublesome or buggy than they're worth.
I've been quite happy with my "first generation" tesla with the mobileye system. It has only tried to kill me a couple times in 6 years of driving it; it is not terribly smart but within the system's limits it is very stable. I certainly don't trust it to drive unattended, but it does offload 5-30% of the toil of driving on highways, which is pretty nice. Offloading 50-80% but constantly wondering "is it going to try…
It has only tried to kill me a couple times in 6 years of driving
I understand your pragmatism, but it still boggles my mind how this metric could be considered satisfactory.
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> A car being driven autonomously doesn't imply much about the quality of that driving Only that’s not what they’re selling us - they say autonomous cars are safer than humans, fewer accidents per mile driven, faster reaction times yadda yadda. I think this implies quality and not respecting speed limits is not something that sounds very high-quality. At least not while they have to share the road with humans.
I'm just going to quote myself here: > (a friend of mine died slamming their car into a tree) Autonomous cars can run headlong into concrete walls and still be substantially better drivers than humans. There is no inherent contradiction there at all. They can speed and still be more law-abiding than humans too, humans get pretty casual about speed limits. I don't think you've grappled with just how bad humans are at…
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Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
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At this point I want basically no driver assistance features except maybe an automatic cruise control speed adjustment to vehicle directly in the lane ahead based on forward facing radar data. Many of them seem to be much more troublesome or buggy than they're worth.
The speed limit sign reading tech that displays the most recently posted limit on the nav is pretty nifty. (I'd consider that "driver assistance" even if it doesn't physically control the vehicle.)
I have that on my Navigator, and it's mostly decent. The one on my Audi is better, it recognizes school zones and even recognizes active school zones (if there's a flashing light, the 'school' will flash, too). Also very nice (but is dependent on the signals) is the "green light countdown" where the signal is broadcasting how long until a given direction is turning green.
Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him
#140So I skimmed several articles and the reasons why the Theranos CEO was sentenced to 11 years are 1. The scale of the fraud was too big 2. From emails it seemed she intentionally tricked investors 3. The product, medical equipment, endangered patients. I think this can be applied to Tesla too (though I'm not sure there is enough evidence of 2). Shouldn't someone in charge be sentenced to at least a few years?
I think the big difference is that criminal wire fraud depends on a "clear scheme to defraud with intent". Tesla/Musk can argue that they thought they would delivery - They've been making claims that FSD was coming for years and have been slowly making deliveries towards FSD, its just that its harder/taken longer than expected and without a smoking gun (email chains like in the Holmes case) it would be very hard to p…
There's a corpus of work that could help there. Tesla was forced to add disclaimers like "Elon's statements are aspirational and do not necessarily represent engineering reality", as well as quotes from him on investor calls where he's described (in 2009, I believe) FSD as a "solved problem, we're just implementing", and five years later, "Our highest priority is solving the problem of FSD". But it seems possible that there comes a time when an ambitious prosecuting attorney or attorney general pushes for this and the discovery that comes with (though I have near zero confidence that even then, that discovery won't already be thoroughly crippled by document retention policies or outright fuckery by Elon).