This Month in Ladybird – April 2026 • Hacker News Board

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by LeFantome » Sun, May 03, 2026, 4:01 PM UTC

jordand wrote: post #45

einpoklum wrote: post #10

> Human Rights Foundation ... “AI for Individual Rights” program That sounds quite dodgy. Ladybird doesn't have AI, why would such a program support its development? But even before that: "Human Rights Foundation" sounds like "The Human League" which George makes up in Seinfeld as a fake charity. And promoting AI as a "human right" is quite suspicious. If I had to, I might be that this is something backed by one of t…

Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire. https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/

By “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor.

Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence.

I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by LeFantome » Sun, May 03, 2026, 4:03 PM UTC

jurschreuder wrote: post #58

Too bad LadyBird is being translated to LLM generated Rust. It's nice that Rust is so beginner friendly but it would be nicer to have a pure C++ browser for the more experienced developers, to use as a basis for their projects like Chromium is used.

There are lots of C++ browsers, including Chromium.

Happy to see Ladybird using the best tools.

The RegEx and JavaScript interpreters are great places to use Rust for security reasons.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by jcattle » Sun, May 03, 2026, 4:07 PM UTC

maccard wrote: post #96

jcattle wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just today Ryanair wouldnt let me in on Firefox. 403 with a cloudflare error. But on chrome it went through without a hitch.

I’ve been using Firefox for 20 years, and Ryanair for 10, I’ve never had to switch browser for it. My last flight was 2 weeks ago

Its the magic of multi-metric based DDOS/exploit/whatever protection.

For my full profile the login attempt with Firefox as a user agent apparently pushed it over the edge.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by chipotle_coyote » Sun, May 03, 2026, 4:27 PM UTC

sethops1 wrote: post #110

notenlish wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't realize FUTO was connected to Eron Wolf, which connects to Curtis Yarvin, which connects to Palantir. Great...

What, do you sincerely believe Palantir is pulling the strings behind Ladybird? What is the accusation here? Everybody can be "connected" in some way or another, but it's meaningless.

I think it's more a concern about the company one keeps; Ladybird's Andreas Kling has certainly ruffled feathers over the past couple of years by doubling down on anti-inclusionary language takes ("I'm not against gender neutral language, I'm just not going to allow it in my project") and supporting DHH's most douchebaggiest takes.

I understand that not everybody cares about this sort of thing, believing that politics of developers should be irrelevant; I'm personally not going to go around ringing the shame bell at people who use Ladybird (or Rails. But Kling loudly shouting "I support the free speech rights of fascists but get away from me with that DEI shit" doesn't give me warm fuzzies about using Ladybird, either. It's a lot easier to let politics of developers be irrelevant if the developers aren't out there energetically sharing them.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by LeFantome » Sun, May 03, 2026, 4:27 PM UTC

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #115

jordand wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire. https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/

I thought it was more related to Louis Rossmann that's where I learnend from

Louis Rossmann Is directly related to FUTO and has passionately advocated for them.

Ladybird has taken sponsorship money from FUTO and claims publicly that sponsorship provides no influence.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, May 03, 2026, 4:30 PM UTC

shevy-java wrote: post #46

> It’s inspired by GNOME Web (Epiphany) So basically, it will be useless. How many use epiphany please? That thing has been so extremely ineffective. It's like 1999 (not that everything was bad in 1999). > follows GNOME’s design guidelines: no menubar, a hamburger menu Oh. my. god. So Ladybird worships uselessness now. Also, GTK progressively gets worse and with GTK5 they will (try to) kill of xorg-server too. Some p…

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Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by fabrice_d » Sun, May 03, 2026, 5:05 PM UTC

tomaskafka wrote: post #87

I thinkk it's about time Ladybird got some official prebuilt binaries - I'd love to try it, but I'm not going to install its whole dev environment and build it from source.

If you are interested in new browsers / web runtimes, Servo publishes binaries monthly: https://servo.org/download/

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by fabrice_d » Sun, May 03, 2026, 5:10 PM UTC

LeFantome wrote: post #131

jordand wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire. https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/

By “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor. Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence. I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.

It's very naive to believe the "no influence" part. I will never give to Ladybird given their closeness with fascists. Is that the kind of influence they expect?

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by everdrive » Sun, May 03, 2026, 5:10 PM UTC

NBPEL wrote: post #24

The hardest part for browser development has always been "artificial" web compatibility, as you know a lot of websites are forcefully blocking specific browser from loading, only allow Chromium to load their websites, that is the reality check for Ladybird, and seriously what stopping new web browsers from being able to compete, same with DRM Widevine, it's REALLY hard to acquire (unobtainiumware) for new browser, ev…

Ladybird, at least initially, will be niche enough that I think this won't be a problem. It'll be tech enthusiasts who use multiple browsers. If it can get a foothold, then I think there will be many more bars to clear.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by peterfirefly » Sun, May 03, 2026, 5:50 PM UTC

redeeman wrote: post #63

bitwize wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was either permit DRM, or cut off the web for all sorts of media.

easy choice. also, thats just BS, remember how SOMEHOW the same was said for playback of music on computers, yet somehow a certain now-dead CEO was able to say "fuck you" and it happened anyway?

That was part of the deal with Apple the record company because otherwise Apple the computer company would infringe on their trademark. The Steves could have renamed their company or taken the deal. They took the deal.