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City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by bl4kers »

themafia wrote: post #25
bluGill wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any sane business that has lots of random people coming in will have cameras recording (except in bathrooms/locker rooms). There is too much opportunity for crime, and a camera is cheap. If something happens you pull up the feed from the last month and give the interesting parts to the police; most often you just delete everything after a month. More than one crime has been solved this way. That said, if there wasn't…

> There is too much opportunity for crime, and a camera is cheap. The camera doesn't prevent crime. It just displaces it. Even when it doesn't it will not prevent the crime from happening. It _may_ provide you an opportunity to prosecute the person who committed it. In reality the only real reason to have one is to reduce your insurance premiums. > crime has been solved A perpetrator was potentially caught and now ha…

The founder of Ring cameras is convinced enough cameras will eliminate all crime in neighborhoods

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by khriss »

deaux wrote: post #114
driverdan wrote: post #10

Meanwhile YC President Garry Tan continues to support and defend Flock. I'm curious how he'd spin this as a good thing.

Every single post on here about Flock should put in the title (YC S17). > City Learns Flock (YC S17) Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

I wish I could upvote this twice.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by FireBeyond »

Zhenya wrote: post #126
john_strinlai wrote: post #6

> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…

Dunwoody asked the JCC for camera access in case of live shooter events but then used it for many other reasons. “ In September 2024, Dunwoody PD Major Patrick Krieg requested access to the private securiy cameras at a community center on behalf of the department. When the community center pushed back and demanded to know what the access would be used for, Krieg was unambiguous: “This is solely for real-time critical…

This is the nudge nudge wink wink of Flock.

"So here's a data sharing scenario, prospect agency"

"Isn't that illegal in [insert our state]?"

"Well, that's for your agency and your state to determine".

"Will that feature be turned off for our agency if it is is prohibited or illegal in our state?"

"Why would we turn it off? You'll use the system responsibly, right? Why don't we take a quick coffee break and after that, we can go through data sharing in the system."

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Post by FireBeyond »

diydsp wrote: post #127
globalnode wrote: post #90

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isnt it the same sort of reason you guys have actors for presidents? its about how well you can sell the message, not how good you are behind the scenes, thats what normies are for.

Thats a big part of it. Customers go into a flock demo with motivated reasoning. "Im scared. Im not sure i should be this scared." Seeing a vulnerable set of kids happily playing and hearing a confident voice say "A shooter could end all this. We can prevent it" validates that and closes the sale. If a cautious pragmatist goes to the demo thinking "i know crime stats have declined for decades and im concerned about m…

> "i know crime stats have declined for decades and im concerned about misuse of technology."

Garrett has said that Flock's goal is "zero crime", "made possible by Flock". It's full Minority Report, 1984, Stasi stuff.

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Post by FireBeyond »

l72 wrote: post #29
aleksiy123 wrote: post #13

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I feel like I’m missing something. There is someone that is making the decision right? Or are you just saying the person placing the cameras is decoupled from the person making the decision to aggregate them all. But I still feel like the accountability is on who is giving the access to sensitive cameras.

We are opening up a wellness clinic and we were planning to use a managed service company for internet, network, and security. I was appalled by the managed services suggestions. Privacy of our patients and their data is critical, and the managed service company wants to send all of our feeds to third parties and give third parties direct access to our network. We decided this was a privacy and security risk, and hav…

It's "hilarious" how incompetent some companies are.

One background check firm used by a previous employer of mine sent me an email saying:

"Hi FireBeyond, doing a background check, just want to verify that all these details for you are correct:

full legal name, address, dob, full ssn, phone number, USCIS#..."

and then the kicker:

"and also want to make sure we have the correct email address for you"

Oh. You just sent all this shit to an email address and "oh, let us know if this your email address"?!?

Meanwhile, they've found my fiancee on FB and are messaging her out of the blue to "verify" she knows me (to be clear, this was meant to be a standard background check, not a security clearance or anything similar).

To their credit, that employer, when I told them all this, were as horrified as I was and fired them as their background check provider.

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Post by FireBeyond »

AngryData wrote: post #107
hoppyhoppy2 wrote: post #58

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Including the footage from Flock cameras placed by private businesses on their own property?

If the government has access to it and it isn't otherwise publicly broadcast, yes. It is straight up illegal for the government to do it itself, just because they found a loophole of buying the surveillance they want from private institutions instead of using their own camera doesn't mean it is right or should be allowed to continue.

And you better believe Flock considers it a sales channel to also sell to data brokers and such institutions with the aim of having them be able to share data with agencies who'd otherwise be prohibited (and they also won't turn off such sharing functionality just because you're an agency in that state - that's not their job).

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Post by SauntSolaire »

AngryData wrote: post #106
themafia wrote: post #65

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That's why the police don't enforce drug laws in _particular_ areas. What you describe is obviously already happening on a much larger scale. I'm not sure why people have trouble grasping something this basic.

Cops don't enforce drug laws in particular areas because wealthy people live there and not only will arresting wealthy people and their kids get those guys a call from their boss, but the courts will never make any money off prosecuting wealthy people that can afford to drop thousands of dollars on a lawyers and the court case. Drug laws are enforced in poor areas tho because poor people can't afford good lawyers or…

When people talk about drug laws going unenforced in a "_particular_ area", they're talking about the Tenderloin, not Beverly hills.

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Post by nailer »

alsetmusic wrote: post #92
nailer wrote: post #69

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[flagged]

(Not who you responded to.) You clearly don't know anyone who lives with a condition that would cause manic episodes. They're terrible. Imagine being super focused and productive and excited by how much you're accomplishing as you're banging out innovative code and solving complicated problems with brilliant elegant solutions. Next thing you know you've been awake for two days and your mind no longer works but you're…

> You clearly don't know anyone who lives with a condition that would cause manic episodes.

My mother has bipolar disorder, but please, tell me more about my life experiences.

I haven't seen any evidence that Tan is having a manic episode.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by alsetmusic »

nailer wrote: post #138
alsetmusic wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not who you responded to.) You clearly don't know anyone who lives with a condition that would cause manic episodes. They're terrible. Imagine being super focused and productive and excited by how much you're accomplishing as you're banging out innovative code and solving complicated problems with brilliant elegant solutions. Next thing you know you've been awake for two days and your mind no longer works but you're…

> You clearly don't know anyone who lives with a condition that would cause manic episodes. My mother has bipolar disorder, but please, tell me more about my life experiences. I haven't seen any evidence that Tan is having a manic episode.

> My mother has bipolar disorder, but please, tell me more about my life experiences.

I told you about mine, not yours. And her bipolar experience also isn't yours. You didn't go through that, but I did and she did. You experienced it by proxy.

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