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After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

davidgrenier wrote: post #3
2ndorderthought wrote: post #2

"my model is the most dangerous" "No mine is the most dangerous" "Nuh uh mine is" "Mine could kill everyone!" "Mine could do it faster!" "Prove it!!!" This is where we are

Yeah I guess two companies who would otherwise be considered going for bankruptcy have models too expensive to run. As they don't see themselves making money any time soon, they have to turn every future model into a weird fascination.

They could easily branch out paid for vanity products like “personalised models” that tell the user whatever they want to hear

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

DivingForGold wrote: post #64
davidgrenier wrote: post #3

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Yeah I guess two companies who would otherwise be considered going for bankruptcy have models too expensive to run. As they don't see themselves making money any time soon, they have to turn every future model into a weird fascination.

China’s DeepSeek prices new V4 AI model at 97% below OpenAI’s GPT-5.5 Did somebody say that Elon is stealthly funding: Seven lawsuits filed against OpenAI by families of Canada mass-shooting victims As always, when the going get's tough, the tough ultimately resort to lawsuits.

And it’s not even at a release stage - Deepseek v4 is still at beta, and llama.cpp doesn’t even support it yet.

Once it gets to release (they have said they are still adding features and multi-modes like vision) and llama supports it, I think you’ll see a huge asymmetric price point between east and west SOTA models

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

VorpalWay wrote: post #92
DivingForGold wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China’s DeepSeek prices new V4 AI model at 97% below OpenAI’s GPT-5.5 Did somebody say that Elon is stealthly funding: Seven lawsuits filed against OpenAI by families of Canada mass-shooting victims As always, when the going get's tough, the tough ultimately resort to lawsuits.

If the difference is that large, it seems plausible to me that the Chinese models are subsidized in order to gain market share, this is not exactly the first time the Chinese government has done so (or at least been rumoured to have done so). You should assume that everyone has a hidden agenda when money is involved.

While the US government hasn’t invested directly in OpenAI, their $200M contract would/has give them some control

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Borealid wrote: post #128
intended wrote: post #118

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> IMpossible for an LLM to be configured to do the same? Because that’s what I am seeing emerge from the various efforts to build LLM safety tools. > Do you think a human is capable of providing assistance with defense but not offense, over a textual communication channel with another human? LLM != human? They don’t even use the same reasoning process.

> Because that’s what I am seeing emerge from the various efforts to build LLM safety tools. Something having not been obtained so far is not a logical argument it is impossible to obtain that thing. > LLM != human? They don’t even use the same reasoning process. There are a finite number of possible input strings of a given length. For any set of input strings, it is possible to build a deterministic mapping that pr…

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Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

JeremyNT wrote: post #120
throwyawayyyy wrote: post #109

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There's a story to tell in that: 1) Google has a transformer-based AI that hallucinates too much to release 2) OpenAI replicates the tech then YOLOs it 3) Everyone says: look how Google is getting left behind! Google thinks: the second mouse gets the cheese. 4) Google gets the cheese, OpenAI is absorbed by Microsoft or just disappears (or both).

Certainly could turn out that way. TPUs were their real moat. All that capacity used throughout their suite of products on non-chatbot features, ready to rip for consumers once soon as somebody else opened the floodgates to the public. Now all their competitors lose money on every token paying their cloud providers (of course it's funny money, maybe they're just giving the cloud providers equity) while Google is sitt…

Are TPUs that much faster than GPUs? Sorry, I’ve been totally sleeping on TPUs

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

pluc wrote: post #130
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112

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> These aren't people that go for second best or care about the state of the world My suspicion is an adult in the room realised that simultaneously pissing off every major corporation, government and NGO, and giving them an incentive to bottle you up immediately, could backfire massively. That an inference for Mythos is probably beyond what Anthropic can provide at scale right now.

I don't mean to get into politics but domination by alienation seems to be a trendy American strategy

> domination by alienation

What's this?

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by VorpalWay »

joe_mamba wrote: post #93
VorpalWay wrote: post #92

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If the difference is that large, it seems plausible to me that the Chinese models are subsidized in order to gain market share, this is not exactly the first time the Chinese government has done so (or at least been rumoured to have done so). You should assume that everyone has a hidden agenda when money is involved.

> it seems plausible to me that the Chinese models are subsidized in order to gain market share In this case, this point is kinda moot since the entire US and SV tech ecosystem, has been subsidized first by the US defense industry during the cold war, and after by the US government funded VCs by its unique cheat-code ability to infinitely print the world reserve currency with little to no inflation consequences upon…

Absolutely a fair point. And I wrote:

> You should assume that everyone has a hidden agenda when money is involved.

As an European there is little difference between what US is doing and China is doing when it comes to tactics. The particulars may differ, the end result is similar. Traditionally I could at least say that US was more democratic and as such was preferable, but that argument seems to be gradually weakening.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by pluc »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #136
pluc wrote: post #130

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I don't mean to get into politics but domination by alienation seems to be a trendy American strategy

> domination by alienation What's this?

No idea, and it's too early to tell, but yes it sounds super dumb and it is.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by righthand »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #122
righthand wrote: post #115

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Not one worth 4-5 days of coverage as the news media helps sane wash the situation. Pouring over every development as if the end result mattered. OpenAI was already showing signs of abandoning their mission so the news reports weren’t about that. They were about publicizing the situation and turning the tide against the ousters. It was well done but it was not GOOD reporting or GOOD news coverage or even IMPORTANT to…

> sane wash This term has taken the cultural place of FUD. I’m starting to see it as another thought-terminating cliche. Like yes, people should be trying to understand what happened in those days. > Where’s my and the rest of the economic workers check I never made any claims around how it’s distributed. The fact that this wealth exists, and is sprouting up in multiple sectors, is indisputable. (Whether it’s paper w…

> Like yes, people should be trying to understand what happened in those days.

Not really when the end result is the same in the grander picture. Helping save Altman does ZERO for LLMs. There is always another douche bag rich a-hole that will do what he was doing. That’s why there are multiple federally contracted LLM companies. And Altman’s is often considered worse than the competition. Why is it important to understand what happened during those days? Enlighten me.

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